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Feb092009
Pink Chaddi Campaign
Mutiny spoke to Nisha Susan about the Pink Chaddi Campaign. Here is a short note she sent us:
What is the Pink Chaddi Campaign?
The Pink Chaddi Campaign kicked off on 5 February 2009 to oppose the Sri Ram Sena. The campaign is growing exponentially (1,300 at this point in the life of our Consortium of Pub-going, Loose and Forward Women) and that is not surprising. Most women in this country have enough curbs on their lives without a whole new franchise cashing in with their bully-boy tactics. Of course, a lot of men have joined the group as well.
Here is we want to do with the Pink Chaddi Campaign. Join in. Be imaginative, have fun and fight back!
What can you do?
Step 1: It does not matter that many of us have not thought about Valentine’s Day since we were 13. If ever. This year let us send the Sri Ram Sena some love. Let us send them some PINK CHADDIS.
Look in your closet or buy them cheap. Dirt-cheap. Make sure they are PINK. Send them off to the Sena.
The address to send the package is:
The Pink Chaddi Campaign,
C/O Alternate Law Forum,
122/4 Infantry Road
(opposite Infantry Wedding House)
Bangalore 560001
Karnataka
Contact person: Nithin (9886081269)
If you don’t want to mail it yourself, you can drop it off at the Chaddi Collection Points. We will be collecting across the country through this week and sending the packages on February 12. More information about Chaddi Collectors in your city soon on our blog: http://thepinkchaddicampaign.blogspot.com/
Step 2: Send the Pink Chaddi Campaign a photograph of the package.
Tell us how many chaddis you are sending out and inspire other women in other cities. You can either mail the information to freelancehabba (at) gmail (dot) com or you can mail it at our facebook address. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49641698651&ref=mf
Step 3: On Valentine’s Day we do a Pub Bharo action. Go to a pub wherever you are. From Kabul to Chennai to Guwahati to Singapore to LA women have signed up. It does not matter if you are actually not a pub-goer or not even much of a drinker. Let us raise a toast (it can be juice) to Indian women. Take a photo or video. We will put it together (more on how later) and send this as well to the Sri Ram Sena.
What happens after Valentine’s Day?
After Valentine’s Day we should get some of our elected leaders to agree that beating up women is ummm… AGAINST INDIAN CULTURE.
For right now, ask not what Dr VS Acharya, Home Minister of Karnataka can do for you. Ask what you can do for him. Here is his blog.
http://drvsacharya.blogspot.com. Send him some love.
Nisha Susan
For the Pink Chaddi Campaign
The views expressed in this post are those of the writer and are not necessarily endorsed by Mutiny.in
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SouthIndian
001
3:17 pm
First send this to Congress head sonia gandhi
Ashish
002
9:13 pm
Kudos..Guys what an awesome Idea.
This is the way to teach the lesson to self appointed “Moral Brigade”.
Mr. Yedurappa wake up, If you want any chance to win election in Karnataka and as a matter of fact in Whole country, learn to give good governance.
Hats off to the people who came up with this public campaign.
I will say not only sending it to Ram Sena, send this also to Yedurappa.
He will realize what people need is peace and law and order in the state. Not the lecture about the culture,
We common man are more cultured than so many tainted ministers and politicians. Tell them to once and for all stop lecturing and do the job which you were appointed to do. GIVE GOOD GOVERNANCE..
Good one…
undercover Indian
003
10:53 pm
Bachche,
Shame on you.
Because you go around the town with name of MUTINY but behave like a limp dicked man churning out irrelevant 100 posts/day.
You should have been the one to start this mutiny against groups which are spreading like weeds. Change your name to something else, like may be “Bunch of media wanabes” Mutiny looks funny on you.
Nisha
004
10:34 am
Collection Point for the Pink Chaddis in Mumbai : Ashwini 9833075013
Payal Sharma
005
10:35 am
Post the address of Home minister of Karnataka too. He needs to be humiliated for passing insensitive comments saying its parents responsibility. Humiliate that bastard as well!!!!
RealIndian
006
2:30 pm
You so called loose and forward women, you are really really a big loose and peolpe like you are spoiling our Indian culture… Dont have any other better work to do ..If so collect that amount and feed the poor people who are dieying without proper food in villages of India ok….
Indian
007
2:43 pm
Worst Initiative… the way is wrong… it shows the way the youths are thinking nowadays… do some good work for ur future
Pradeep
008
3:01 pm
Gud Idea….May I suggest some more….Put bangles on the hands of those who attacked the women and parade them naked in the streets…so that they never do it again
Moshe Sofer
009
6:28 pm
As an Israeli engineer working for the Israel-India ( South Asia) cultural association in Mumbai. Allow me to address the rise of religious stupidity otherwise known as Terrorism both from the Islamic as well as Hindu side. The recent attacks against the much better educated and more intelligent Christian minorities nationwide by these Saffronazis as well as the humiliating savagery on young girls displayed by the Saffron morons in that pub in Mangalore is despicable.
My only wish is that people grow up and buck up to the arduous tasks of nation building and peaceful integration that lies ahead. Incidents like these give India a very bad name both in the West as well as Israel.
My best wishes also to the victims of the recent Terror attacks nationwide, especially Mumbai. Shalom !
Cultural
010
6:30 pm
Hello fellow Indians,
This campgain is purely rediculous. I know what the Sena did in Mangalore was wrong and outrageous, I don’t know if what Sena is proposing for V day is right or wrong.
My appeal to the Good Samaratans is “Think”. What this Campgain is doing : ISN”T THIS WRONG?
or Do u guys think think u are doing the right thinkg and usilising your TIME, EFFORT AND MONEY in the right way. When lot of poor woman and children are dying of hunger and other woman are subject to domestic voilence. These guys are talking abt chaddies….
How RIDICULOUS and DISGUSTING a campgain could be.
with regards,
Your Next Door Neighbour.
Ruchi
011
6:32 pm
It’s funny that all disparaging comments are from some “indian” - the real indian, indian, undercover india etc. Oh come on guys, this is is funny and creative. It makes a point, and pokes fun at the retarded Hindutva right-wingers without getting all hot and bothered under the collar or uber-feminist about it. Relax, spring is here and it won’t be too long before it’s a punishing 45 degrees out anyway.
Foreigner
012
6:33 pm
See now the porein sahab’s are telling us that Christians are more Intelligent and better educated than the rest of the INDIANS.
THANKS TO YOUR ridiculous chaddi Campgain.
SHAME ON ALL OF US.
Valmik
013
6:44 pm
Dear Jewish Friend Mr Sofer, alas you are right about the foolish attacks on Christians and women. This is a sin and believe me sir, many Hindus like me don’t support such madness. The Christians have built up the Medical and educational infrastructure in India. Many eminent Doctors and Scientists are Christians too. I have respect for them .
The BJP ( Bharatiya Jokers Party ) is on loosing ground. The Congress is a more moderate and progressive party led by people who actually have qualifications such as Dr Manmohan Singh, Sri Chidambaram and a strong and smart lady Srimati Sonia Gandhiji. I too am an upper caste Hindu but am fed up with the hypocrisy and insanity of this Hindutva nonsense. Real HInduism is far more advanced and greater than what these RamSena idiots have lowered it too. Hope you understand that our religion is one of Sanatana Dharma and tolerance.
Namaste !
Arup
014
7:32 pm
We should save our country from this type of people who disturb the women.
We should stand agenst the people who think our country as like as Taliban.
We must defit all type of narrow domestic wall.
We must stand united
Women must go any where , where they want to go………………
avalok
015
7:43 pm
These guys are a blot on secular India. I uploaded a PPS on this campaign on Slideshare and comments from all over the world started pouring in including venomous ones from the Hindutva brigade.
Watch the show here:
http://www.slideshare.net/avalok/the-pinkchaddi-campaign
Indian
016
7:49 pm
Dont u feel we should also send some flowers to that loser with the message - GET WELL SOON MAMU…
vote out and vote against theindian taalibani
017
7:51 pm
vote out and vote against the indian taalibani like so called senas and bjp. they must know the power of youth and young men or women, boy or girl.
win win win let PCC (pink chaddi collection win)
priyasa
018
9:30 pm
the thing which the sena workers did was wrong and shameful and the campaign in result of the behavior is again shameful…
they used the violence to make their ideas get heavy on r minds…and the campaign in return is using modernity to prove that they r free…
its high tym dont waste tym in making one or the other responsible for each n every act done…rather be a part of the growth of the country…think sumthing innovative…not such nonsense things…
Polash
019
10:27 pm
I think “PINK CHADDHI CAMPAIGN” is a brilliant idea.
No matter its velentine’s day or any other occasion, the main factor is the bad behaviour against the girls & womens.
Its “RAVAN” with the name of “RAM”.
& we must destroy the bloody RAVAN.
Mady
020
11:17 pm
GREAT IDEA……..
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP TALIBAANI RULES IN INDIA….
KEEP IT UP………….
ALL THE BEST…..
WAKE UP INDIA…………
hemant
021
11:48 pm
good initiative… the bloody political fool should be taught a lesson for beating innocent girls…
Indian Girl
022
12:20 am
Ridiculous… To oppose one wrong thing, you are going to do another bad thing.
sanjukta
023
12:45 am
@Indian Girl,
What is so bad about it?
carl
024
2:26 am
did someone say ’shame on us’ for this campaign…?
nononono, miss/sir ‘foreigner’, shame on us when we think that mobs beating up women in broad daylight is ‘preserving our culture’
…shame on us when politicians that we vote into power beat up teen-agers for holding hands…
…shame on us when girls can no longer travel in public transport - for fear of being beaten up by the conductor!
something tells me that our sense of shamefulness, culture, freedom and leadership is starting to get a bit skewed, no?
3 cheers for the pink chaddis, i say… and take my pink boxers!!
Eternal Truth
025
2:45 am
The way idea of “Chaddi Campaign” has already pissed off some people here is a good indication of success it might achieve when it is actually implemented.
Whether Valentine Day is good for our culture or not, whether it should be celebrated or not are secondary questions, they could be discussed in a civillized manner. The first important task is to oppose these uncivillized goons who forcing their version of culture on the Indians.
nEtPiPeRs
026
2:48 am
Congratulations and thanks to all the individuals, community organisations, businesses, media and agencies that took up the call to action by running events, displaying posters and distributing resources to raise awareness of violence against women. am sending pink LUNGI to these ppl.
Anupama
027
9:03 am
Why not send pink (or any color) chaddis to poor girls in India? They need it. You keep your choice of not wearing it. Even publicly. You are worst than 26/11 attackers. Or may be left outs from the same lot of terrorists.
I will send some sarees and chappals for you.
suufferd heart
028
9:06 am
i m very happy to apose these kind of behaviours , which ram sena done in mangalore pub..and also the statement given about the valentines day by them.. i really appreciate who started this blog.
n then am sending a double time pink things than who already sent a comments….
Tantrum
029
9:18 am
This is nice to see where India is going. This chaddi campaign seems to be a desperate attempt by psudo prostitutes to promote their business. I see no sense in it. It is well known fact that, some journalists of English media were found streeping girls in the pub. To avaoid any attention against them, they created noice. Girls who want to make additional income through prostitution in the name of pub going are involved in such nonsense. Do whatever you want to for your livelihood. Don’t drag the society. Sned your chaddis to poor girls. I will send some for you
Moonmoon
030
10:40 am
I don’t know who are these “Indian” people boycotting the campaign or calling it shameful. Women being beaten up and molested in pubs is shameful. What is wrong in shaming the people who so incorrectly conclude that it is their God-given (or rather Ram-given) right to “preserve the culture of the country”? With criminal cased pending against him, who is this lunatic and retarded goon Muthalik to decide what should be done by us, the women of the country? Shame on all you people, who actually vindicate that loser’s point…that seeing a woman out on the road or drinking in a pub actually emasculates a male…..
Cheers to PPC! Bring on the chaddies!
objectively
031
11:02 am
simple solution,get smart like our leaders change the name of valentines day to Raas leela divas and say up yours to the sena brigade
DANGEROUS
032
11:04 am
THIS IS WHAT WOMEN CAN DO. WHAT MANS ARE DOING. WAKE UP GUYS. WOMEN ARE DOING ARE ABOUT GUTS. COME-ON AND MAKE THOSE BASTARDS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
DANGEROUS
033
11:07 am
YE RAM SENA HAI YA RAM KI VANAR SENA HAI.
INKO NANGA KARKE GHUMANA PADEGA.
Narendra
034
11:07 am
“Consortium of Pub-going, Loose and Forward Women” says it all.. so how many of the Indian girls are loose and pub going…. does nisha whatever thinks she represents Indian girls?… hah
She suggests that SRS represents a franchise.. well I think this pink chaddi campaign is a politically motivated campaign from pseudo secularist people…out there to malign right wing parties…
Somebody suggested in above posts, there are much more grave issues facing the country… corruption ..
has any NGO raised similar campaign against mulayam singh for recent corruption charges….
against CBI for acting on behest of UPA government?
You all must know , majority of Indians think very low of this campaign … and as for me.. I give Big Finger to this campaign and its supporters…
GolMaal
035
11:12 am
Wlecome to the India of chaddiless women. What an innovative campaign to counter so called attack on rapist media men. I congratulate Sonia and foreign sponsored spineless media worms like Vinod Dua, Pranoy Roay and their team of saleable fake journos for bringing India to the stone age days by promoting chaddiless women. You guys are dangerous than Kasaab, and Afzal Guru
Moonmoon
036
11:13 am
@ Dangerous: It is people like you who do not understand what shame is…can’t you see the light side of the campaign? And just by the way, what are you doing to help the poor and the poverty-stricken? Nisha may not represent all the girls in the country…and neither does Muthalik represent culture or Indian-ness…so go buzz your Finger elsewhere mister…and learn to have respect…!
GolMaal
037
11:42 am
Well said Moonmoon. For me shame is finding a poor young girl at a signal striving to cover herself with enough clothes. Not to boast myself, but I do offer clothes (full dress and not only chaddis) to such girls and boys every month. And such number is huge. If sense prevails you too can support such needy people in your area instead of campaigning for the boozing bitches and boys of Mangalore to attaract media attention. I won’t have respect either for Muthalik or the boozing bastards as they are two sides of the same coin- Senseless towards nation’s priorities!
Moonmoon
038
12:03 pm
@ Golmaal: I am sure all of us do something or the other (however small that might be) in our own ways to help out the poor and the needy. Please don’t think that the women (and men), who are a part of the PCC now, just send in underwear to our retarded ministers. I am sure many of us are a responsible part of the society. But when women are pulled by the hair and attacked and molested in broad daylight in a pub anywhere, I am sure something drastic needs to be done for everyone to sit up and take notice. Something that calls out to people irrespective of their sex or religion, something that is satirical and witty at the same time. Speaking of human rights is a noble issue…everyone does….but “women’s” rights is also a major part of that!
GolMaal
039
12:36 pm
Moonmoon. I totally support womens rights. In fact I uphold those very high for a balanced and progressive society. But we shall not resort to means which marginalaize ends. I know many cases in slums where wives are beaten up daily. In one case when I went to save the lady, I was beaten up. But I persued the matter to logical end. Shall we send chaddis to these wife beating bastards too? It won’t serve any purpose. The method of campaign is very Western and obviously politically motivated.
Tahelka is a congress outfit. Nisha is working for it. I never heard of her speaking or campaigning against attack on Tasleema Nasreen or for that matter girls who were asked to remove heena for being convent students. In fact Tasleem’s case was worst as she is a guest in our country and we could not protect her from Hyderabadi fanatics. NDTV, which is a congress party’s official news channel is a big blot on Indian Journalism. Their journalists are competing to create stories to buy Padmashree awards from government of the day. Such saleable worms are doing their business to catch attention and not any cause for women. Political parties and biased television channels are exploiting this issue to score their points and common citizens are dragged in it.
I hate attack on girls in Mangalore. I hate any indecent behaviour these girls have made. I hate an attemt to cover up illicit activities going in the pub by blowing up the attack issue. I have undue and biased media coverage of the incident and more importantly I hate the politically motivated chaddi campaign. There is business point in it to create hype before V Day to popularize it to do good sales.
We as a nation have more than 50% population waiting for equal opportunities. Irrespective of religion, caste and creed, they should be supported to make this nation superpower. Vulger display of chaddis will not help to achieve that.
Sreenivasa Murthy S
040
12:46 pm
THIS CAMPAIGN ITSELF INDICATES THAT TO HOW LOW OUR INDIAN GIRLS WILL GO…ITS UNDERSTOOD MEN ARE SHAMELESS…BUT IT IS CLEAR INDICATION OF EXPOSING SHAMELESSNESS OF INDIAN WOMEN WHO GIFTING PINK CHADDIS…IT IS ALWAYS BETTER GIRSL SHOULD WEAR THE CHADDIS TIGHTLY THAN STRIPPING THEM IN PUBLIC LIKE THIS..
ITS NOT SHAME FOR GIRLS, LADIES WHO GO FOR PUBS, DISCOS … ITS THE SHAME FOR THE PARENTS WHO GAVE THEM BIRTH..AND PARENTS LIKE ME ASHAMED OF THE CAMPAINERS WHO ARE PROMOTING OBSCENE, INSULTING AND DISGRACEFUL PROTESTS RATHER THAN TAKING RIGHT WAY OF PROTESTS.
SHAME ON U CAMPAINGERS…THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF WAYS TO PROTEST…
DONT SPOIL THE INNOCENT GIRLS WITH UR RIDICULOUS AND SHAMEFUL PROTEST…
HS
041
12:49 pm
What the hell is this??? Since when is Pink Underwear a symbol of Love… What do these losse women want to prove.
Going to pub, drinking and dancing is one thing…. but giving a pink chaddi to men… LOSERS. And I see a girl has said in her comments, this is fun… so these fun loving girls just want to have fun??? and prove they can’t think beyond that???
Now what Indraneel Murkumbi did by organising a rally is the sensible way to go…
WOW how threatened will the Sri Ram sene feel when they receive PINK Chaddis….. SICK…
Sri Rama Sene is a bunch of losers…. so is the Consortium of Pub-going, Loose and Forward Women.. as they claim…
They are only fit to go to a pub …. drink and throw their pink chaddi on a man’s face….
rahat
042
12:49 pm
First of who all who is mutthaia and who give him the permission to attack on the indian culture, did he did not understand that in the indian culture we should beat the women.
nadeem ashraf khan
043
12:55 pm
Mutthaia should be hang in pulicly and hism workers should be putin the jail and this organisation should be immidiatly be band by the indian goverment. such kind of illegal elements creats the comunal riots in the country and try to divide the country in parts.
rahul
044
1:09 pm
OH..MY GOD I NEVER THOUGHT THIS CAMPAINGERS (CHADDILESS) ARE BEGGING FOR CHADDIS NOW.. WHAT WERE THEY DOING WITHOUT CHADDIS ALL THESE YEARS….KASH…SHAMELESS IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM U R JUST GETTING STRIPPED IN THE PUBLIC…
GolMaal
045
3:24 pm
Nadeem is your sister or wife or daughter participating in this campaign? Let us know.
Brad Schenker
046
4:32 pm
Hi guys ! Just another American tourist in India. My 2 cents ?
Shame on these retarded Hindu fanatics. If these losers really had the guts, they should try fighting men their own size. The United States like with Europe and Australia does not espouse terrorism or inequality of anykind. Yes, perhaps there was a time when we had issues like racism, slavery and even gender bias….but we’ve come a long way to abolish these social evils and have made rapid progress in every sphere. We boast our 1st Black Christian President Obama, Powerful Washington DC Moguls like the Italian American Catholic lady Nancy Pelosi ( who is technically more powerful than the President with regard to policy making and passing constitutional bills ) and ofcourse a Roman Catholic Vice President Joe Biden.
India is a secular democratic nation, it is about time it lives up to it’s name. The idiotic HIndu groups will turn India into another primitive stone age Tailbanised version of Afghanistan (WIth a different religion). What an irony for a would be regional superpower !
chandres
047
4:41 pm
send this first to muthalik
Anitya..
048
4:50 pm
I cant understand why Pink Chaddhi..Why are u trying to give those wierdos more food for thought..Perverse actions…Why?? In a perverse way aint there psychos who get thrills outta getting Women’s underwear…Isnt it a pathetic concept…To discipline them, why do we need to send the garment closest tpo our body..I dnt see it as an act of Love…its a disgusting concept. I am nopt for it. Rubbish. Utter rubbish. Wanna create a difference..Go fite the mindset of the politics hungry, power hungry, limelight hungry sect of people who try to downsize the women kind. Dont do all this rubbish.
amit haran
049
5:41 pm
thumps up………….. for..bravo job……..shame on mutalik
ruchi
050
6:06 pm
hey guys i think d gals deserve applause…..gr8 man….humiliate those bastards who in d name of hinduism..(bloody they r d ones misinterpreting our religion) are trying to gain publicity…….btw why din any1 think of human rights n complain about the incident to d universal human rights comission!!!!!! i think atlaest some action wud have been taken…coz relying on our mr. PM who is recovering frm his operation or thinking of justice frm Ms. Gandhi isnt posible at all……they’ll only come to us ven they want votes……
btw speaking of these perverts callin themselves leaders……..god knows wat makes them think they r leaders….lol!!!!! they jus wan to hogg d limelight n make their presence felt they r trying to do wat shiv sens or MNS did in maharashtra n got popular for their tactics……dis ppl have nothin to do….n simply roam about talking about religion!!!!!! or mayb Mr. Mutha”lick” wud b angry wit some personal incident where mayb a gal mite have turned him down n so he is soughting revenge to d women community!!!!!! haha
balraj kalwani
051
6:23 pm
india jaisi country me sabko apni life apne tarike se jeene ka haq hai,agar insaan ko koi shauk hai to use pura karne ka haq bhi uske paas hai.aap agar dance kar rahe ya smoke ya fir drink kar rahe to uske liye pud,diskos ya bars hain wahan jakar agar aap apne shauk pure kar rahe ho to usme koi bhi harz nahin hai.par apne plitical fayde k liye jo sharmnak harkat kuchh logon ne bhagwan k naam par ki hai use to khud bhagwan bhi kabhi maaf nahin karega.aur to aur sareaam ladies ko itni berahmi se maarna this si abslutly unbearable for this mankind.shehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,this is never can be a right way,is par hum sabko ek hokar iska virodh karna chahiye jis bhi vyakti ko ye kritya sahi lagta hai wah manav kahlane k layak nahin hai.JAI HIND
Indraneel Murkumbi
052
6:24 pm
Hi All, with no offense to anyone here, I think we all need to do some soul searching and see what objective are we trying to achieve. is our campaign just to express our anguish? is our campaign just to make outward epxressions of our disapproval of moral policing?
I think as the youth of this nation our objective and method should be called responsible and we should aim towards a better India and not just confining oursleves to expreesions of various forms.
Come out with debates, discussions, peace processions with minimum obstructon to common people, spread the word which you are already mastres of, and mostly importanly use methods that rake in support from all walks of life….and hence strike a chord with common man and dwoman ‘coz that is where our success lies. Victory will be ours given that we unite and speak as one single nation…:-)
dharmakeerti
053
6:51 pm
What ever Sri Ram Sene did is brutal and unethical. The Karnataka Government certainly is shameless. Better if Mutalik contemplates on Holi hooliganism and does some thing to stop.
Pink cheddi campaign is good. But do you think it will work on shame less fundamentalists and their governments?
Nishi
054
10:58 pm
I feel people should go out and celebrate, they should carry Pepper spray and Taser guns. The minute they get attack, one should spray the Ram sena guys, pull the dhoti and taser the guys. This may teach them a lesson for insulting women.
shiv
055
12:48 am
One thing i want to say that In the start of human culture every male /femel are naked . As human culture develop every where in the world the human being start useing cloth.
I only say that the people who are promoting pub culture/ Velentine day ( western culture) are careless about their society, their family. Go and analise this statment. And let me know the result.
shiv
056
12:54 am
In other word, The ram sena shoud not worry to receive these chaddi. Receive these chaddi, become naked where chaddi is offered, use these chaddi. If proposer ready enjoy valentine.
Chaddi lover
057
1:24 am
Let us all wear a pink chaddi on Valentine’s day!!!
Sayan
058
3:01 am
Just see who started this post
Chacko—just find what is chacko in google and you will find the reason why is he so much interested to put a humiliating picture on the color “SAFRON”.
As far as modern women are concerned—I do not at all buy the point that these women are modern.
Going to pub and drinking whiskey doesnt make any one modern–LOL.
There are many modern women who are making India proud–Countless names.
Anyways those women who are parasites on our society(Good for nothing) are very excited for this campaign because—This is an opportunity to prove their bohemian life.
Anyways—This is truth that Kaliyug is that time when EVIL will behave like Gandhi, EVIL will get sympathy.
One of my friend says “This is a time when Evil can do Miracle like GOD”.
Now you dont want to become responsible citizen or cultural Idol.
If any one go against you–then it becomes moral policing(Doesn’t matter who is saying good or bad)
You need freedom to drink, You need freedom to sensual act in public, you need heepy culture, you need porn posting on websites, you need to have the right of posting naked pictures of your GF, you need right to post porn of innosent girls believing you.
You need right to do anything and everything–because it is called freedom.
We are proceeding towards ARMAGADON.
It’s UNSTOPPABLE.
Madhur
059
8:35 am
Go Girls !!!! I am with you !!!
objectively
060
10:33 am
it is not about valentines day celebration or going to pubs ,it is about freedom to do what is legal according to the our consitution . if u r against girls going to pubs ,taliban is against girls going to school.u might argue schools and pubs r not the same but taliban will not buy the argument .the point is what is acceptable to you may not be acceptable to somebody else.so question only when it is illegal.
almostinfamous
061
11:20 am
the idiots arguing for preserving culture are wrong because culture is not a static thing and keeps changing over time, depending on who is in power to enforce norms. the recent empowerment of women reduces the power the fundamentalist and reactionary dickweeds have to keep them at home, in the kitchen where they supposedly ‘belong’ so that they have someone to dominate.
Rekha
062
12:16 pm
This is to all those people in this comment box who are talking about feeding hungry and poor children and women: We are not discussing issues regarding poverty and hunger rite now. we are discussing about civil rights. for people who are not-so-poor. even they have problems and issues isnt it? may not be the basic needs problems, but other problems like security, dignity, freedom and equal rights.
it is strange how we think about the hungry and the poor only during controversial topics like these, and try to side track the main issue. Otherwise noone ever bothers about the existence of the hungry and the poor..
Lars from Norway
063
12:34 pm
The idiocy depicted by these archaic envious little dark Hindu bandits only displays their contempt for anything civilized. Here all over Europe, there was enormous sympathy for the innocent Christians who were persecuted recently by the same band of miscreants in the name of religion. Most churches and community centers in Germany, France, Italy, Finland, Sweden, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Portugal and my own Norway have already collected enough funds to rehabilitate our Christian brethren in India.
But it seems that these pagan Hindu rascals have taken it to the next level by declaring an all out culture war against women too. I seriously believe that the Moslem Taliban and Hindu fools are made for each other - like a marriage of sorts lol !
Indian
064
12:35 pm
Good work citizens of India. We should show RAM Sena, Bajrang Dal, BJP, Raj Thakare and other militant outfits so called moral brigades that they are mentally challenged sick and criminal minded organization/people.
I hate to call myself a Hindu where such filth is present. I want to register my protest thru this blog.
Just eliminate these bastards from the society.
Rekha
065
12:49 pm
what is NOT KALYUG according to Sayan
drinking is only for a man. Note: DRINKING is not the issue here. because sayan didnt mention anywhere about the problem of drinking,. Kalyug happens only when women drink. so according to Sayan it is NOT KALYUG when ONLY men drink, as much as they want, get drunk, blow all their money in the bar, gamble, come home, beat their wives, steal her jewellery to go out and drink again, have sex with prostitutes, rape women, molest children, and (iN SAYAN’s WORDS) have freedom to sensual act in public (not sure if women are involved here), have heepy culture, have porn posting on websites, have the right of posting naked pictures of GF, have right to post porn of innocent girls believing in you.
FOR KALYUG NOT TO HAPPEN(which is solely a responsibility of women) women are supposed to be in the ideal situation ie; wear sarees, cover her pallu all around the heads & face, and cook , clean, allow sons to play and behave like hooligans and no need to teach them anything about responsibilities, cooking, household, respect, humility (all this training is only for daughters ,so that she can grow up to become good housewives whereas men can grow up and become good women beaters)
and when a woman grows up uneducated, ignorant, totally dependent and without any knowledge of the outside world, all she is expected to do is keep sobbing about her misearble state dealing with horrible fathers , husbands, brothers and sons.
ALL THIS IS NOT KALYUG
Pinky
066
1:59 pm
lets give a non violent bashing to the “Pink Chaddi Muthalik” of the “RAVAN SENA”
Commoner
067
2:26 pm
All these foolish girls who started the campaign wanted was attention… They ‘re getting it….yes…and loads of it…
Not sure how many of these daughters gave PINK Chaddis to their fathers when they were stopped from going to pubs and drinking…….
SriRama sene should be taught a strong lesson….. not given pink chaddis to fuel their fantasies….
I soooo wish to teach the campaigners a good lesson…. just along with Srirama sene… they’re just the same… a bunch of fools… one group is violent .. the other group is LOOSE and SHAMELESS!!!!!!!!!
bihari
068
2:53 pm
Great!!! Send these sick pink chaddis to RSS, BJP, VHP, Baj Rang Dal, Shiv Sena etc too!!!
The bastards are free because of the political son BJP of whore RSS mother.
RSS is the real culprit & thier diferent offshoots are the tools to achieve thier nefarious objective……
Lets throw out the BJP,VHP,Baj Rang Dal and all sena be it shiv, ram, ranvir etc.
Even krishna had crores of affairs, Ram too did not went shooting mindless even when his own wife got abducted, kunti had son’s out of wedlock, pandva shared thier brother’s wife etc.
And this idiotic thugs a living failures are trying to teach us what morality is, what culture is etc all in facade of deft nationalism & religion. Fuck these bastards.
Not only send them pink chaddis but start hitting them on streets…. let them get the tastes.
Religion is like condom or toothpaste, which one wants to use or even not to use is his or her wish & perogative and not someone’s else forced opinion.
Ask RSS, BJP, VHP, Baj Rang Dal, Ram Sena, MNS, Shiv Sena, Durga Vahini etc to stop thier mother & daughter finger & hand which they use to molest themselves if they want to police then police thier own family members but not others.
Even during dandia where there is photograph or idol of durga kept the whole navratri all boys n girls, men & women mariied or unmarried get into affairs resulting in sex and thats is for what they go and no one goes to make mother or sister, brother or father so what………. its our life and we live it as we want. for those who dont like pls stay away……. no need for the jokers to teach us…… the losers bastards.
Sanju
069
4:48 pm
We can also send the chaddi snaps online at “ramsena@shriramsena.com”
Hurry up before the inbox floods…
hehe
070
8:19 pm
I THINK WE SHOULD SEND USED CHADDIS TO SENE.- TO MARK OUR RESPECT!!. wat do you think
suresh
071
9:39 pm
This is a good initative, Rame sene people should not take law into their hands, there are law enforcing authorities can initate if any thing against the prevailing law of the land.
We outht to teach lesson to those people who feel that the indin culture can be reviewed by hitting innocent girls.
They should understand that nothing can be achived by force. Common man have the right to enjoy the Fundamantal rights.
Mumbai
072
10:39 pm
Well one also needs to understand the local culture. If 80% of your population is backward, it doesnt make sense instigating them. I would like to emphasis that I condemn the attack on the women, there is no ready solution when most of your country is uneducated and backward. These are the people who elect the government and the Political parties will not do anything to antagonize the sentiments of the masses.
Sachin Korgaonkar
073
11:18 pm
Don’t waste your time, I am waiting for the day, when we all will be naked on a public places. India might take some 300 years from now. But I am sure this will happen.
Respect to the freedom. Yours and Others. That will only teach you what is right and wrong.
Avinash
074
12:08 am
Something from West being Replicated and Needs to Addressed ….
Keep on Abusing Hinduism…. That’s all you can do my dear friends… No wonder All the males supporting this movement will never can ask females in their family to Send their PINK CHADDI’s.
Just view the information below and then blame whoever you wish to (your movement is just replication of incidents happening in UK)
Below are some documented examples of cases recorded by established media sources in UK.
VICTIM ACCOUNTS OF THIS HAPPENING TO THEM ON
BBC ASIAN NETWORK RADIO (”NIHAL” - 20 June 2007, Wed 9am) AND MORE:
http://sikhhelpline.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=42
British Sikh Girl Talks About Predatory Muslim Males:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-2mG_z23VU&feature=related
5 Live report on Pakistani men grooming young white girls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pADxqQwgNI
EOTC Report on Pakistani Men Grooming Kaffir Girls for Sex:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yM6SHsWzeS8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HoaMJaFoNwA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=laaMkLfZAi8
Grooming of white girls for sex by Asian Muslims is exposed:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece
Evidence of British Pakistani Muslim Sexual Abuse Gangs:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2538090.ece
Current Known Areas being affected:
BEDFORDSHIRE
BLACKBURN
BRADFORD
COVENTRY
Derby
Glasgow
LEEDS
Leicester
MANCHESTER
NOTTINGHAM
BIRMINGHAM
LONDON
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yM6SHsWzeS8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HoaMJaFoNwA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=laaMkLfZAi8
These are not “claims”, it is real, documented evidence is not required to show you something is real.
Sayan
075
12:59 am
To the above commenter “Lars from Norway”
Do not use any wrong words against Hindus.
I know hindus have been wrong in many aspects…But it is the only religion after Jainism and Buddhism who have suffered a lot of hardship.
Do not bring religion because RAM SENE do not represent our religion.
And when you talk about sympathy about christian then you should say sympathy about Indians who were victims of riots of all religion.
Anyways if you blame religion then i will say british were Christian who opressed, raped mankind for centuries.
These are Christians who killed millions in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Do you have sympathy for them as well?
Mind you–an eye for an eye is not solution but if it is an war–then EVIL dies in the end.
Sayan
076
1:26 am
To dear Rekha–You have completely misunderstood.
When I say drinking–I mean this is wrong irrespective of sex–whoever does it.
I say it because I swear On GOD, I did lead the most bohemian life possible
And I did repent.
I openly declare, for this Kaliyug Men are respnosible 98%.
But our last hope is with the women of this country.
I did not ever say that Indian women should stay covered up always.
they have every right to wear whatever cloths they want but at the same time they should respect their Indianism.
I am sharply against those bastards who beat up their wives and those people should be beaten up publicly.
I am proud enough of Sania Mirza, Kalpana Chawla,Pratibha Patil, Inspector Bedi,and all those professional women who have contributed to this great country.
I do also bow my head in front of all those women who have given cultural heritage to their children and built young India(Our mothers and sisters too).
In the end I will tell you Rekha–You completely mis interpreated me and I will clear your doubt by saying:
In this troubled times of modern terrorism where mankind is suffering the only hope is that the women of all religions are calm and they do not fight for wrong and that is why the world is still a living place.
When I say all the above points I also say
I do not buy that this people participating in rave parties are not people to be proud of.
This parasites are representatives of modern Indian women.
When I say against this pub goers MEN and WOMEN,sex parvarts(who posts porn of innosent people),MEN and WOMEN, drug Adicts MEN and WOMEN, Hooligans men or wome.
WHEN I said KALI YUG: The below things are symbol of destruction and most of them performed by MEN.
You need freedom to drink, You need freedom to sensual act in public, you need heepy culture, you need porn posting on websites, you need to have the right of posting naked pictures of your GF, you need right to post porn of innosent girls believing you.
REMEMBER: When you see men drunk beating their wives, Men cheating their wives, Men cheating girls all in the world should protests
But solution is not to become like them.
Being educated and aware of outside world does not mean you need to go to PUB RAVE parties and have drugs.
Being educated women and smart does not imply to become bohemian.
Being educated,smart and modern does not need you to copy unholy male culture.
2 wrongs does not make 1 right.
Jai Hind.
Sayan
077
1:36 am
WHo has given em right to tell us what is right and what is wrong?
GOD has given you the right to decide what is right and what is wrong—Please perform your duty and let us not give chance to RAM SENE to attract publicity.
Simple!!!
[LOL!! You can even save the cost of buying thousands undies during this time of recession]
We really have killed god!!!
If God comes down on earth and tell this pub goers to choose the right path, perhaps still people will send COLOURED USED CHADDIS TO GOD.
If God comes down on earth and tell this people that drinking is unholy practise and try to leave it, perhaps still people will send Black Lebel Soda bottle TO GOD.
We have really Killed GOD, when we have killed our soul.
Sayan
078
1:42 am
Anyways
No need to give points to supporter of RAM SENE.
Because people like RAM SENE are bound to lose, because this is the time for evil to win.
The days are not far when in INDIA we will have porn Film industry like USA.
The time is not very far when awards will be awarded to Porn film stars.
The days are not far when we really will walk naked on earth again, (for the sake competition between MEN and WOMEN)LOL.
sachin tanwar
079
2:52 am
This is a tarrefic compaign against sri ram sena. i think boys should also join hands with girls.I want an upgradation that the chaadhis should be old enough dirty. why we are wasting money for purchasing new chaadhis.these people deserves only used and dirty chaadhis.A very big chaadhis is also required for Muthalik wife’s.
The MM
080
9:07 pm
Go to Google and search “Valentines day Kashmir”. You will see links to read the news abt Muslim Women attacks shop keepers and burning valentine day cards. They have issued a fatwa against celebrating V-day in Kashmir. Now Can Nisha Susan and her CHADDI campaigners oppose them? Why was this news not highlighted in media? Can we have a campaign againts this ? Answer will be no… I don’t think CHADDI Campaigners have guts to do that…
chacko
081
11:20 pm
@MM, Why are you not doing anything about it? Why don’t you send them pink chaddis?
Arbit Person
082
11:43 pm
@MM
Chacko and co get their Chaddis in a twist only when it’s about the Hindus.
Almost all times otherwise, the courage in their chaddis takes a nap.
chacko
083
12:29 am
Wow. “Arbit” You are Stephanian?
I will take up Chaddis whenever I like. Why don’t you do the same? What makes you think the women who were not beaten up in Mangalore are not Hindus? Is it only a problem for you if men of a particular religion beat up women?
hehe
084
1:38 am
Now chaddis has to be divided into hindu christian and muslims!! we have to think on seperating based on relegion.!!
Bharath will never get freedom from the crucifiers of God!
Btw, is kashmir still a part of India? geographically yes.. bt how abt kashmiri’s?
Joe
085
2:22 am
Dear Friends,
Lets think like a good human being, its not just Valentines Day, Pink Chaddi day, freedom, religion or any anything. It’s all the sick stinking Indian mentality. I am also an Indian so feel sorry for writing this. But I cannot help it.
According to the Indian mentality is just to adopt the leisure, fun and freedom, and all the non valued craps, but not ready to adopt any of the good qualities. Again I am not talking about all the Indians, because there are successful people as well, who all are with very positive nature.
Bottom Line:
Why cant we benchmark succeeded practices?
Can any Indian Man accept his wife being a non-virgin or a raped one in the pub?
THINKINK? If not THINK NOW!
Eternal Truth
086
3:05 am
@Joe,
Benchmarking good practises also mean raising voice and concern against goons who take law in their hands. Chaddi campaign is just one of the ways to do that. If you don’t like to send them chaddis, send them idol of Lord Rama and ask them to follow Him rather than beating up women for whatever reasons.
Those who are supporting this campaign are not necessarily doing so to encourage the pub culture but to oppose the goon culture.
The Modern Mullah
087
8:53 am
@he he,
I don’t think you get the point here, its not about dividing people on the basis of religion. This particular pink chaddi campaign has been started by Nisha Susan, another converted pseudo-secular, who has chosen an inconsequential incident to portray Hindus in a negative way. If she was all that concerned about freedom of expression why doesn’t she send her chaddis to the church when they oppose gay rights?
Monica Einzinger
088
9:08 pm
To the Hindu fanatic disguising himself as “the modern mullah” :
EVery religion opposes “gay rights” otherwise called as “Homosexuality”..yeah including Hinduism ! But atleast the Church protest in a peaceful & civilized manner. Wheras the Hindu nutjobs perpertrate their idiotic views in the most violent and savage manner as seen in the attacks against innocent Christians who just happened to be Indian citizens or against a set of women celebrating a Birthday party in a legal licensed pub in a secular democratic wanna be modern nation like India ! Big difference between the Barbaric Hindutvadi morons and the more superior civilized decorum of the Christians…life sucks for you - Hindu !!!! DEAL WITH IT !!!!!!
The Modern Mullah
089
9:21 pm
@Monica Einzinger,
Homosexuals have been a part of Hindu culture for a very long time. If you check out ancient epics like the “Mahabharata”, you can see them being mentioned. It was only after Islamic and British (Christian) invasions that this hatred towards them started. I suspect this has a lot to do with Victorian morals being imposed on India. Now Victorian morals did find support from the Church, so we can get some clues to the origin of this hatred. So you are wrong about every religion opposing gay rights, because Hinduism does not.
Secondly one pub brawl in a country of 1 billion people, committed by people we don’t know were Hindus does not make the entire society intolerant. In that case every year the US witnesses about 50-100 hate crime related murders, some of them against gays. Accordingly your logic dictates that Christian society is 50-100 times more violent, which I don’t think classifies it as being civilized
U Mahesh Prabhu
090
9:45 pm
Dear Friends,
I suppose you are having a nasty time replete with impotent ideas. Perhaps a great glamor could be brought in if you can respond to a Hindutva Activist from Mangalore called Sri Deepak Kamath. I suppose the Mutiny.in bashers take some time, also, to base the aforesaid persona @ http://www.greathindu.com
I would love to have your most anticipated response on his thoughts and remarks
Fond Regards
U. Mahesh Prabhu
Ankit Bahri
091
12:46 am
The scenes that are hitting news channel these days are pathetic. Almost every other day there is a new video showing “moral brigade” or “police” (pun intended) beating up somenone or the other, whether it is a child being lifted by her hair by police, teenagers being manhandled at mangalore or siblings beind slapped on valentines day. It really goes to show the pathetic state of affairs in the country and how deaf our “leaders” (again pun intended) have become.
The police cant do anything because politicians are involved and they want to save their job. The politicians wont do anything because they want to ride on the popularity and use it as a vote bank.So its up to us to do something and what better way than this campaign to do it! Ram sena and shiv sena should be added in the dictionary as synonyms to hooliganism, goondaraj , idiots and cowards.
Sayan
092
1:09 am
Because of some stray dogs who are not bothered about Indian culture and behave like stray dogs in rave parties, take drugs and do a lot of indecent activities 365 days a year
These stray dogs are hiding in their home on valentin’e day and innosent guys and girls are beaten up by people.
hehe
093
2:43 am
@Monica Einzinger
wow.. wat a civilized culture.. is this the christian culture? “life sucks for you - Hindu “,”Hindu nutjobs ” - if this is the civilized way of chirstianity.. , i should start thinking of converting to Christianity.. hehehehe
GIVE RESPECT TAKE RESPECT dear monica!
@modern mullah
” don’t think you get the point here, its not about dividing people on the basis of religion. This particular pink chaddi campaign has been started by Nisha Susan, another converted pseudo-secular,” - so who is not getting the point ?
Dear Hindustanis.. oh sorry Indians…
Live and let live.. let this be the motto.. love and let love…
We can arrive @ one conclusion, even our so called modern generation is not free from the grip of relegious bias!
Think ahead and move forward, please dont follow our ancestors!!
Bharath mata! ab tujhe kaun bachaye?? generation next???
Sandip
094
4:02 am
@Modern Mullah (it is clear what type you are, it is disgusting to see you using this pseudonym)
I don’t care a f* for what else is happening in other religions if mine is out of order. These common criminals and demented individuals posing as custodians of “culture” are a disease in whichever religion they belong to. However, it is important to clean one’s own house first of this abomination before peering at other’s houses.
One of the best aspects of Hinduism has always been the lack of a single top religious order, and a single “holy book” of guidelines. This enables everybody to imbibe an interpretation of the religion as consistent with their personal values and the values consistent with the advancement of the human society. This is otherwise a big problem in other religions where the only way to be a good follower is to align yourself with guidelines laid down during a medieval stage of human society.
Unfortunately, since this Ram sene/Bajrang Dal/RSS/BJP/Sangh Parivar disease have started infecting the whole country, this remarkable aspect of the religion is being eroded. We have already started seeing the taliban style notices being plastered around towns in India by these zealots. BJP top honchos openly about bring in the casteist/woman-demeaning treatise Manusmriti as the guiding spirit of our legal laws(e.g. it forms part of their opposition platform against legalizing homosexuality).
What now is the difference between us and those lumpens in Afganistan and Pakistan? We don’t need our own version of them! We need to remove this disease NOW!
Monica EInzinger
095
10:39 am
“Homosexuals have been a part of Hindu culture for a very long time. If you check out ancient epics like the “Mahabharata”, you can see them being mentioned.”
Homosexuals and Eunuchs are also mentioned in the Jewish-Christian Bible and Islamic Quaran, does that make these religions more “gay-friendly” ? Your logic is daft ! Besides, Homosexuality is not only legal but also actively courted in the liberal broadminded Christian west. In predominantly Christian nations like the USA, Canada, UK, Europe, Russia and Australia / NZ - you have “Gay pride day”, Gay clubs etc ! Wheras, in hindu India - Homosexuality is illegal / banned..right wing HIndu morons of the BJP, RSS, VHP beat and scorn gays / lebians. The Saffron Shiv Sainiks even tried to ban a Pro-Lesbian bollywood movies - “girldfriend” recently ! If I’m not wrong it were similar Saffron thugs who destroyedand vandalised the set of another similar movie _ “Fire” 10 years back for it’s Homosexual theme, which they regarded as offensive to Hindu culture. You don’t really see things like these in the Christian west now, do you ?
And talking about civilized, millions of Hindu Indians crave to visit and live in the Christian west, obviously implying that the west is more superior in most aspects ( this trend is not replicated vice-versa )…. Hmm…that should speak volumes !
himanshu
096
4:58 pm
fuck u guys
himanshu
097
5:01 pm
the whole idle about pink chadddi is good, i think nothing wrong in it.but for what u r doing yhis just for opposing shri ram sena. don’t u think,they r partially right. beating girls or ladies in wrong.
Sandip Bhattacharya
098
5:07 pm
himanshu,
Can you please explain in a bit more detail how rowdies beating up anybody is justified (or, as you mentioned, partially justified) for whatever mistakes that they might have made.
himanshu
099
9:17 pm
it is easy sandeep, i am agree with u. what they did, was wrong. beating is’t right. but why we all indian are always ready to collect favourable thinks in world. just think u have all power to change our culture.change it.Make it like american.
1)if i ask any girl ,do u want sex? what will be her answer.
in india u know well.
in america answer will be yes/ no.
after this if i go for marrige to same girl ,atleast in my city her will not be in my favour.
but in america it is a simple thing. first u have to wait for the upgradation of common indian mind set.
Ankit
100
9:58 am
@ himanshu
Dude stop abusing! If u cant stand by your point then dont make one!!
Why does everybody keep saying that BEATING THE GIRLS WAS WRONG? beating “anybody” in public is wrong and especially by the so called “moral police”.
They were all in a pub and not a public place. Even if people are spending time together in parks (public place), there has to be a method to stop it (if at all it needs to be stopped!!). And that method is definitely not beating them, black polishing their face, marrying them to a donkey etc. Are there any signs in parks which forbids them to sit together? First let the government make a law saying you cannot make out in parks. If such a law is passed and people still do it, jail them like any other violator of law & not beat them. Its a pure violation of human rights by these goons. Pink chaddi campaign may sound cheap but it is definitely not cheaper than those idiots who resort to violence in complete neglect of law & order.
Ankit
101
10:09 am
Also HIMANSHU i expect to see u dressed in dhoti kurta from now on since u are so against american culture. You have also conveniently “collected the favourable things from world”. So now continue ur farce [i]dikhawa[/i] of being an Indian by wearing only dhotis or kurta pyjama. Be indian by heart and thinking.
himanshu
102
5:03 pm
yes why not, i use jeans pants, skin tight t-shirts,every thing. i can spesk ,write ,read english. so what , u think to oppose modernzation ,i should use kurta pyjama. but tell me when we stop people doing wrong things in public, newschhennl make it headline,” now u can not sit in park with someone” when people like bajrang dal or shiv sena caught people in park, and asks the mob. numbers of perents .boys amd girls says no ancle please ,don’t call my father.don’t call my mother.why.don’t u think they should all know ,where r u? who is ur girlfriend? i know most of the people don’t want to tell them.because they will not marry that girl or boy. make ur self strong. these bajrang dal or shiv sena is nothing infront of u. if ur true person. and if u think ur lames bond u wiil have the same treatment
Eternal Truth
103
3:56 am
Valentine’s day is over now. It is good time to analyze how many incidences actually happened where goons beat up the love birds. This would help us figure out whether there was more hype and less substance or the other way. We need to determine whether this campaign needs to be continued next year or not.
Ankit
104
3:39 pm
@ Himanshu
Do u really think that the news reporters are there by chance? No. They always have a cameraman whenever they go to attack people in parks or pubs. Why? To gain the attention, make it sensational and in turn use this presence on tv for political purposes.
Who the hell are they to ask for parents? Are they the police? And what about the incident where they beat up brother & sister!? What excuse do u have to defend those goons against that cowardice?Even if u r married and go to have a walk in the park with ur wife, they will first beat u and humiliate u before asking what relations u have with each other. Then what will u say?
The only reason why there were not so many incidents on valentines day this year is that because of the huge outburst of media and general public, which is why there was a lot of police protection. So the conclusion is that whenever u go out with ur girlfriend to spend some quality time always have a policeman around. A cocktail of romance & security!!
hehe
105
7:47 pm
@Monica
“millions of Hindu Indians crave to visit and live in the Christian west, obviously implying that the west is more superior in most aspects ( this trend is not replicated vice-versa”
dear monica!!!Is it only HINDU Indians who crave to live in the west? I guess its an obsession with every Indian.. (i wont be surprised if you are currently in US ;))
and I am surprised at the way you see everything in saffron /green or white…
Is it what is preached in Bible?? or is it a problem with our educational system? i guess there is an urgent need of a topic on this!.
Monica Einzinger
106
1:02 pm
“..dear monica!!!Is it only HINDU Indians who crave to live in the west? I guess its an obsession with every Indian.. (i wont be surprised if you are currently in US ;))”
LOL, actually I’m an Austrian citizen residing in ( Wiens) Vienna - translated as NON-American and very much European ( Blonde Blue eyed Germanic), an EU citizen ! I know heaps about India because I’ve been there during my business tours. Not impressed, I must say. Anyway, don’t blame me for my candid views, most Europeans feel the same way about India. And hey, those recent atrocious attacks against the peace loving Christians in your country has’nt helped much either ! Surely you need to do better than that my deluded friend.
almostinfamous
107
4:50 pm
I know heaps about India because I’ve been there during my business tours.
if you got rid of your condescending attitude, you would probably have learned a bit more too.
R.Sajan
108
4:05 am
Initiated by Nisha Susan, a Christian, this is a Christian conspiracy to lower moral standards of Indian women. Obviously, the Pink Chaddi Campaign is financed by some Baptist group. The Campaign is vulgar since gifting the panties is an after-act token of appreciation of good performance, in the West. That the Christian initiative dares not send Chaddies to Moslem clerics shows their true agenda.
Monica Einzinger
109
9:58 am
“if you got rid of your condescending attitude, you would probably have learned a bit more too.”
Condescending attitude ? I would hardly call it that. I am aware of your History and traditions. You don’t need to go that far to learn about how Indians ( HIndus mostly with the Sikhs, Jains & Muslims, NOT Christians, Jews and Parsees) are a detrimental influence anywhere. They are loud, obnoxious,rude, dirty, uncooth, conniving and above all stink of curry - a real turn off ! To state the obvious is not being racist ! I am only espousing these candid observations any European would state. I dunno much about how the average North American would find Indians. But here in Europe, be it France, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland, Southern / Eastern Europe or my own native Austria - the Hindus and Muslims have earned the wrath of locals here and are quite unwelcome.
After my last business tour to Delhi, I requested my company Exec to transfer my annual meetings elsewhere. I’m thankful because now instead of India, it is Phillipines - much better !
Hari Nair
110
7:14 pm
Monica,
And speaking of perceptions, Austria is a country where there is rampant incest and fathers build dungeons to sleep with their daughters.
To state the obvious is not being racist ! I am only espousing these candid observations any outsider would state about your country –Austria.
Monica Einzinger
111
8:30 pm
Really Hari Nair : do you mind quoting some references and actual evidence to your ridiculous statement ! Oh and isn’t paedophilia a common act among brahman priests over so called lower caste “devadossi adolescent minor girls” - ever heard of the Devadosi system Hari ?
http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/index2.html
And isn’nt India soon on its way to become the AIDS capital of the world ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-hiv-capital-of-the-world-740050.html
Did I forget to mention the Rape capital of the world too !
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/10126.asp
hehe
112
10:16 pm
@ monica…
I am so happy to know ur NOT an INDIAN. It explains everything.. Actually we dont care about opinions of foreigners ‘NOW’. we had learnt our lessons from the past!
“LOL, actually I’m an Austrian citizen residing in ( Wiens) Vienna - translated as NON-American and very much European ( Blonde Blue eyed Germanic)” - seems that u r totally against racism!!
and sorry, I am not interested!!!
“Anyway, don’t blame me for my candid views, most Europeans feel the same way about India” - only abt India?
or every ‘third world nation’ as u call it ??
“They are loud, obnoxious,rude, dirty, uncooth, conniving and above all stink of curry - a real turn off ” - hello India,,, did u hear that.. This is the view of every foreigner.. and we still glorify ’slumdog millionaires’ and dannyboyles !!
Eternal Truth
113
1:17 am
Monica,
Were you sexually abused by any priest in your childhood? Sometimes it is possible that a bad experience of past fills your mind with extreme negativity and you start seeking ways to release your frustration and hate.
Something like this: http://news.scotsman.com/abuseinthecatholicchurch/Austrian-Catholics-stage-exodus-over.2566806.jp
If so I wish you get well soon.
Sandip Bhattacharya
114
3:06 am
Folks, we all agree that Monica’s point of view is condescending and her crass generalisation of Indians stinks. But it doesn’t do our case any good if we respond using sexist, racist and similar generalisation of Europeans from our end.
She can go to h*** for all I care. Lets all just ignore her and resume on our job of fighting between our countrymen and breaking it down piece by piece, shall we?
We don’t need no stinking foreigners to do that any more since the British left, do we?
Eternal Truth
115
3:42 am
Sandip, agreed that there is no need to generalize and bash westerners as she is bashing indians, hindus and muslims. One approach is to ignore her and continue with our debate, other is to be tit for tat.
After over 100 posts, I guess our debate on this topic is pretty much over thats why I thought its ok to digress and make Monica look inwards. Ofcourse she doesn’t represent the views of entire Europe or even Austria, and she is merely doing that to strengthen her claim. So while I see need to reply to her in her own language, I don’t see any need to say foolish things against people of her country or continent.
almostinfamous
116
9:40 am
ah yes, of course you’re not ‘racist’ you just dont like us indians. thanks for moving, now can you stop commenting here as well?
Hari Nair
117
2:07 pm
Guys, it is important to give back Monica a taste of her own medicine.
Her own country is in deep shit with no concept of family and she is coming here to advice us.
Monica, there is no need to google and send u facts. Just talk to an European on the road without revealing your nationality. And you will get the real picture. So next time, when you are travelling across Europe, try this exercise and then come back for further comments. Till then take care and have fun with self-discovery.
Monica Einzinger
118
11:53 am
Eternal truth : I knew your comeback statement would blare out the exceptional cases of Priests involved in Paedophilia cases EXCEPT that you forgot one vital point - The case of Catholic Priests involved in Paedophilia is only exceptional and NOT the general norm of accepted legal Catholic values. The rogue priests were arrested and taught their lessons / defrocked. Besides, onl;y 3 % of the clergy are the bad seeds. The Vatican has time & again deplored such disgusting evil acts and brought the culprits to book. However, evil practices such as Sutee, female infanticide, drinking cow piss and consuming cow faces for duhh “medicinal effects ” ( lol !), Child marriage, Devadossi ( legal so called sacred Paedophilia) etc is an accepted norm in HIndu culture - big difference !
Here’s a hint - the next time you want to argue and present your case better try comparing accepted norms of these two religions rather than quoting some random illegal act which in unacceptable in the Church ! Every religion has its own share of rotten mangoes, but you Hindus and Muslims take this rot to the next level by legitimising savage practices against women, children and so called lower castes..same with Muslims with their Jihad, female hatred nonsense !
Monica Einzinger
119
11:58 am
Hari Nair like a typical dogmatic Hindu coward has backed down from showing all of us any real evidence to support his ridiculous statement of Austria being very ” incest friendly” ! Next time you make a blanket statement as stupid as that, try and back it up with facts !
And if the west was so bad, the very FACT that milllions of your people beg to enter the shores of a predominantly Christian USA, Canada, Europe, Australia and NZ would speak volumes fo your blatant hypocrisy ! And for the record - You don’t see very many Europeans or Americans migrating to Hindu India now, do you ?
AngelinaMendes
120
12:21 pm
Monica, I would’nt generalize all Indians in the same category albeit there is a lot of inconvenient truth in your statements. I can espouse to your views because I’m an Indian citizen who happens to be a Roman Catholic of Portuguese ancestry from Goa. I plan to settle back in Azores Sao Migual Portugal in a few years. Daily I see the violence and idiocy perpetrated by these vile Saffron morons wrecking havoc in our otherwise peaceful nation !
You could also check out my “youtube” profile and videos / playlists :
http://www.youtube.com/user/AngelinaMendes87
Nair
121
6:33 pm
Monica seems to love to get dirty.
There is a saying in Kerala : ” Never Wrestle With a Pig: You Will Both Get Dirty and the Pig Will Love it.”.
So I am not going to wrestle with you and provide you the luxury. By the way the weekend is getting over and I will be away for a week.
So in the meantime, I had given you some homework to complete. So better complete the homework and then come here. I will come back next week to check , if you have completed my orders or not.
Till then take care and have fun with your self-discovery
hehe
122
6:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouqyo1qWhr8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6afW_iQEgA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre
dear ‘aspiring foreigners’ live your dream and get out.. so that our country can be peaceful..
actually we are tired of nonviolence.. which gave us nothing rather than a 1000000 deaths.. (or more??)
and please monicas.. arenot u tired of abusing our country? you have been doing this coz your ancestors did enuf to make sure that our country cud just be ruins!!! glorify your ancestors and their homicides. that is what you are good at… and eternal peace and kindom will be yours..
what can i say to those who crucified their own God?? is there any more proofs needed?
tumhari to
123
11:00 pm
saloo ye bakwas baan karo.. koi kam nahi hai tumhare pas.. sale sab haramkhor ho ye bakwase baand karoo.. tumhari to.. you all (both favouring this campaign and against) are animals and uncivilized.
Eternal Truth
124
1:40 am
“However, evil practices such as Sutee, female infanticide, drinking cow piss and consuming cow faces for duhh “medicinal effects ” ( lol !), Child marriage, Devadossi ( legal so called sacred Paedophilia) etc is an accepted norm in HIndu culture - big difference !”
Very well. Now you need to provide me some statistics here to support your claim (like you did for paedophile priests). In past 10 years how many incidences of the blames you have put on accepted norms (e.g. sutee, cow piss etc) have taken place. If that is below 3%, as per your own logic they can be treated as exceptions.
As far as comparing the two religions is concerned, I am not interested because I don’t play that dirty game “my religion is greater than yours and my god is real yours is false”. If you want to argue on that lines, please talk only after you have succeeded in getting the concept of “intelligent design” in science text books.
Now I don’t understand why are you relating christianity exclusively with the western world. It is widespread in several African and Asian countries which are facing similar issues as India. Lot of the issues are the function of economic position of the country rather than the majority religion of the country. For example behavior of an Austrian christian would be more similar to an Autrian atheist than that of African christian. Speaking of Austrian atheists, I think it is big thing in Austria since past several years.
“According to the 1991 census, a majority of Austrians (77.9 percent) belonged to the Roman Catholic Church. This is a decline from the 1971 figure of 87.2 percent. The number of Protestants also declined in the same period. The number of Lutherans, or members of the Augsburg Confession, declined from 5.7 percent in 1971 to 4.8 percent in 1991 according to the census, and Calvinists, or members of the Helvetic Confession, declined from 0.3 percent to 0.2 percent in the same years.”
The number of atheists in several other Western countries is even greater and is continously increasing. So rather than waging a stupid crusade on this blog, how about working with your non paedophile preists to work on your behavior which might become inspirational for those who are leaving christianity in overwhelming numbers.
Having said this, I would like to conclude all my arguments on a positive note that I am happy with all the progress that Austria has made and its position with Human Development Index.
ayush
125
2:00 am
Monica, why come to India for “business-tours” then? You either sell your services here, or take our help cos we work much better for less cost. When it is business ou wont care abt all the stink, would you? You people from the west will sell your own mother to a pimp if you have to make money, and you are here to talk abt how we Indians are. get a life. save your job. do some reading on how ur PM Brown is asking Asian countries, including India, for financial help. And oh yeah. dont forget to kiss american ass as usual, I bet it stinks more than our curry stink, but god yes, u ll do anything for money!
Everyone goes up and down in history. Hitler was from Vienna too, guess it makes you a cold blooded genocidal bastard, going by your logic. Today, thanks to your imperialistic and selfish conniving mentality, you are in better economic conditions. Wait till you beg for our support (which, btw, ur govt. has already started doing), we ll teach you.
But there is one thing I found common between average Indians and you, you dont let go of your religion!! Yuck!!!! You are such a sad case…..!
sir m00ng
126
9:56 am
Sending Pink chaddis was a good idea for any kind of intolerance against women.
Hindu culture was much more open and free before the Christian and Muslim invasions happened. In fact it was Victorian era English men who forced Indian women to wear blouses. A look at Hindu temples of the ages shows how open our society was.
Honestly, I don’t know why Muthalik and co are trying to protect English/Western/Muslim influences on our culture.
On the same note, Why a Journalist like Nisha Susan is trying to protect NSUI goons while she sends Pink chaddis to Muthalik? Being a journalist, she should be aware that Kerala Communist C H Kunhambu’s daughter was groped and abused by NSUI activists in a bus because she was travelling with a Muslim boy. Initially when the press and Nisha Susan misread that it was done by Rama Sene, it was a big story. Once Mangalore police captured the NSUI creeps who did it, the news COMPLETELY VANISHED from the channels and newspapers.
For public information, NSUI is National Students Union of India, which is Congress Party’s student wing and charied by none other than Rahul Gandhi along with Congress Youth wing. The goons who groped the Kerala MLA’s daughter are Kerala Christians and are members of NSUI.
A journalist like Nisha Susan should not be having biased campaign and also should not differentiate against Hindu Goons and Christian goons and Muslim goons.
Why not send Pink Chaddis or Pink Brassiers to Rahul Gandhi? Like Muthalik this guy Rahul Gandhi is also unmarried and also heads the group called NSUI - which is Congress party’s Student Union.
Nisha, Keep up the good work of protesting against injustice meted out to Liberal woman. Dont slip up in religious bias - Take the campaign to Hindu goons, Christian goons and Muslim goons. Send Pink Chaddis to all goons irrespective of their religion and Public image.
janardhan_1985
127
12:28 pm
Arre Nair bhai, tera bakwaas band karo ! Stop brushing aside the subject and get down to the topic of this discussion. How can you support girls being beaten in a pub ? you sir are so desperate to defend the hindutva nonsense that you ended up fighting with that European girl Ms Monica. There are no two ways yaar, either you support the nonsense of BJP rules states or you protest against them. More reason for me to vote for Congress this year.
Monica Einzinger
128
1:04 pm
Very well. Now you need to provide me some statistics here to support your claim (like you did for paedophile priests). In past 10 years how many incidences of the blames you have put on accepted norms (e.g. sutee, cow piss etc) have taken place. If that is below 3%, as per your own logic they can be treated as exceptions.”
Okay than prove where the remaining 97 % of them are paedophiles ????? Most preists are not of the category your deluded mind churns up !
“As far as comparing the two religions is concerned, I am not interested because I don’t play that dirty game “my religion is greater than yours and my god is real yours is false”. If you want to argue on that lines, please talk only after you have succeeded in getting the concept of “intelligent design” in science text books.”
I believe in Evolutions and so does the Vatican, ofcourse in the end of the day I also believe in a Thiestic creation which makes more sense than the ifiotic Athiest garbage. Darwinain theory is NOT Anti-God. IT simply redefines the archaic views of the Church and set about the theory of Evolutn…which can be parallel to Intelligent design ! Hinduism is nonsense - dwelling on cartoon like existences straight from the arse ! A blue flute playing butter thief moron or a fat glut elephant headed mutant - LOl, you decide !
So much so that even America’s top Genetic and Human cloning Scientist Dr Francis Collins - an ex athiest convert into Christianity, accepts the theory of Thiestic evolution ( as designed by God)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins_(geneticist)
Monica
129
1:11 pm
“Now I don’t understand why are you relating christianity exclusively with the western world. It is widespread in several African and Asian countries which are facing similar issues as India. Lot of the issues are the function of economic position of the country rather than the majority religion of the country. For example behavior of an Austrian christian would be more similar to an Autrian atheist than that of African christian. Speaking of Austrian atheists, I think it is big thing in Austria since past several years.”
A little education, Austria and the rest of Europe is still majority Christian !
http://www.euromost.info/austria_country_profile_national_information_economy_history.php
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/44183/Austria/274941/Religion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/1032215.stm
Monica
130
1:12 pm
“The number of atheists in several other Western countries is even greater and is continously increasing. So rather than waging a stupid crusade on this blog, how about working with your non paedophile preists to work on your behavior which might become inspirational for those who are leaving christianity in overwhelming numbers.”
The stats sure don’t prove that Athiests outnumber Christians. The “post-baby boomer” youth are angry and are not as intoxicated as their pro-commie, pro-liberal, pro-secular / athiest 60-70’s generation idiots. The youth today in Europe are sick of immigrants, leftist rubbish and secularism. Today’s youth prefer far right wing parties more than ever before which stresses Austria’s glorious Christian culture, it’s Germanic heritage and its Economy ! That explains why France, Germany and even Britian’s far right wing BNP has had much success among it’s young voters ( native Britons, not the interlopers from the 3rd world wastelands)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7639805.stm
http://www.oikos.org/ecology/greenleft.htm
See the above links. Christianity was ,still is , and will always be the dominant religion and culture of Europe ! As an European, I know better than some 3rd world 5th rate HIndu pagan coolie, who is atbest seen as an undesirable foriegner in my continent. I don’t care about the Yanks, the Americans can have their mutl-cultural PC garbage, but in Europe we are still conservative with right wing pro-Christian parties gaining steady popularity. As such the minority Athiests generally comprise of rejected street bums, drug junkies, gays and wasters living on welfare…the majority of the intelligent, hardworking tax payer is a Christian. Even the Jewish minority and North East Asians are an asset. We don’t mind them. They fit in okay. The only problem are the Muslims & the 3rd world pagans , Africans, Hindus etc.
Monica Einzinger
131
1:18 pm
BY the way if it were not for the concentrated effort of Christians to introduce Modern Science, Technology, Education, Medicine and ofcourse the English language vis-a-vis the Missionaries, Christian colonialists, Indian and western Christian Scientists, educators etc…do you really think India would be anywhere ? I doubt it.
Monica Einzinger
132
1:19 pm
“The number of atheists in several other Western countries is even greater and is continously increasing. So rather than waging a stupid crusade on this blog, how about working with your non paedophile preists to work on your behavior which might become inspirational for those who are leaving christianity in overwhelming numbers.”
The stats sure don’t prove that Athiests outnumber Christians. The “post-baby boomer” youth are angry and are not as intoxicated as their pro-commie, pro-liberal, pro-secular / athiest 60-70’s generation idiots. The youth today in Europe are sick of immigrants, leftist rubbish and secularism. Today’s youth prefer far right wing parties more than ever before which stresses Austria’s glorious Christian culture, it’s Germanic heritage and its Economy ! That explains why France, Germany and even Britian’s far right wing BNP has had much success among it’s young voters ( native Britons, not the interlopers from the 3rd world wastelands)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7639805.stm
http://www.oikos.org/ecology/greenleft.htm
See the above links. Christianity was ,still is , and will always be the dominant religion and culture of Europe ! As an European, I know better than some 3rd world 5th rate HIndu pagan coolie, who is atbest seen as an undesirable foriegner in my continent. I don’t care about the Yanks, the Americans can have their mutl-cultural PC garbage, but in Europe we are still conservative with right wing pro-Christian parties gaining steady popularity. As such the minority Athiests generally comprise of rejected street bums, drug junkies, gays and wasters living on welfare…the majority of the intelligent, hardworking tax payer is a Christian. Even the Jewish minority and North East Asians are an asset. We don’t mind them. They fit in okay. The only problem are the Muslims & the 3rd world pagans , Africans, Hindus etc.
Saqlain
133
1:30 pm
Uh ! Eternal truth, no offence but I think Austria and Europe is still majority Christian.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/44183/Austria/274941/Religion
I don’t agree the conduct in which Monica has carried the debate, but she does have many valid points. I used to work in Dusseldorf, Germany until I noticed a stream of right wing radical violence against us ( I’m Muslim). I left Germany and am happy in Mumbai. Nothing like your own country - Jai Hind !
Monica Einzinger
134
5:32 pm
“According to the 1991 census, a majority of Austrians (77.9 percent) belonged to the Roman Catholic Church. This is a decline from the 1971 figure of 87.2 percent. The number of Protestants also declined in the same period. The number of Lutherans, or members of the Augsburg Confession, declined from 5.7 percent in 1971 to 4.8 percent in 1991 according to the census, and Calvinists, or members of the Helvetic Confession, declined from 0.3 percent to 0.2 percent in the same years.” - YOU HAVE NOT QUOTED THE REFERENCE…OR IS IT ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR CHEAP GIMMICKS USING SOME NON REPUTED PSEUDO-STATS ! Oh yeah, I forgot - you had to quote something from Wikipedia ( which could have easily been edited )
LOL ! Check the latest statistics Mr Ignoramus ! Roman Catholic 73.6%, Protestant 4.7%, Muslim 4.2%, other 3.5%, unspecified 2%, none 12% (2001 census). That implies atleast 77% of the population are practicing Christians. The 2001 census is even more recent than the 1991 census - maybe more Austrians are getting more Christian & Conservative- thanks to them waking up to the horrors of 3rd world immigration and liberal BS.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/au.html#People
‘”The number of atheists in several other Western countries is even greater and is continously increasing. So rather than waging a stupid crusade on this blog, how about working with your non paedophile preists to work on your behavior which might become inspirational for those who are leaving christianity in overwhelming numbers.”
The Atheists are only a tiny minority in Europe. They form the rejected underclass of street bums, drug junkies , gays and liberal college arts faculty - the welfare dependent class. The vast majority of the intelligent, hardworking tax paying citizens here are Christians who still outnumber and dominate everything there. As a new generation European I can attest to my statement because I liver here am indegenous to this soil. Rather than some 3rd world 5th rate coolie trying to teach me about my own continent. There seems to be a neo-conservative renaissance in Europe, the youth are sick of the liberal Hippie, Pro-commie, pro-secular, pro-atheist baby boomer generation and their mistakes. The youth today are getting more conservative, Christian and nationalised, no wonder right wing parties are enjoying enormous support and success be it Scandanavia, Germany, France or even Britian’s BNP. The native Europeans are waking up to the mess Muslims and other undesirable interlopers are causing. In Austria, its the same thing :
Even the far leftist liberal BBC had to cover this story of Right WIng success in Austria.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7639805.stm
Sandip Bhattacharya
135
5:52 pm
Whoa! From a discussion on the relevance of pink women underwear we have moved to composition of religions in austria. Offtopic, people! And you hindu/india baiters, find somewhere else to show your racist,ignorant shit. If anything, you folks are just making me glad I am not in your countries. Each and every one of your posts are in fact emphasizing how SIMILAR you are to the muslim/hindu chest thumping zealots.
Kristin
136
6:52 pm
I agree Sandip, as an Irish American Catholic girl, I’m alarmed at this juevenille nonsense by some posters here despite their religious affliation. I was contacted by Nisha Susan Thomas & our University Hockey Girl club are shipping in 165 pink undies to the Hindo radical schmucks at Bangalore, India. I’m glad to be American where there is freedom and equality for women. I mean - going to a pub is a sin ?? Pathetic-gimme a break ! If it were me, I would whup these primitive cave monkey asses and send them crying to their mommas - my Blackbelt 3rd dana Karate skills could come in handy after all. But hey, maybe someday - till than I could fix a beer ! Cheers to all the brave women and persecuted Christians in India. Our prayers go with you.
With love - Kristin Burley, Pittsburg, PA.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristin-Burley/10006056
the MM
137
10:52 pm
@Kristin,
Go ahead and ship those undies. If I were Pramod Muthalik, I’ll ship them back to churches in California which are campaigning against gay rights or where racial discrimination is prevalent (i.e. about everywhere in the US). Yeah, I guess you can save money by Fedex’ing to some worthy cause in the US. My prayers go out to the oppressed gays in the US, the racially discriminated minorities, the women who are raped every 6minutes, people who are harassed due to their religion etc.
Living in the US, I can say that both India and US are very similar in a lot of ways, but as far as freedom is concerned, India is way ahead.
Sandip
138
8:55 am
@MM,
> My prayers go out to the oppressed gays in the US, the racially discriminated minorities, the women who
> are raped every 6minutes, people who are harassed due to their religion etc.
You do realize that each of those points are applicable to India too, right?
Kristin has decided to sympathize with the two demographics that she belongs to. Not too different from the rest of us. However, Kristin, you should remember that for all the 300+ years of the independence of your country, you folks have very recently got over to a significant extent all these problems. Considering the 3000+ history of our country, and the mere 60 years of independence, it would be unfair to compare each of our countries blindly, wouldn’t it?
All major religions today smack of religious intolerance, unspeakable crimes behind closed doors, perversion of science in the name of faith, and violent zealots. I don’t see any point in trading charges between the religions. The point is if we want society to move forward in each of them by ensuring equality to all demographics, removing violence from the society and bringing in rationality as the basis of decision making. Regardless of our religious difference we need to stand together against it. It would be hypocritical to criticize others religions while resisting criticisms of your own religion by others.
Kristin
139
9:46 am
Sandip, I am not advocating that Western Christiandom was flawless. It had its bad side too. But, as of today you gotta admit Christianity is the most liberal and progressive religion. And talking about my great beautiful nation, the United States has already had its 1st African American President. Would the Hindos there dare to admit their hatred for dalits even today ?
Kristin
140
9:54 am
Apropos, I almost forgot…but gay bashing is prevalent in not just major or minor religions, but even among almost every ethnic groups. Homosexuality is seen as a anomaly or deviancy. Nevertheless, gays have more civil and fundamental / social rights in Christiandom than say in Islam or even Hinduism ( where it is considered illegal- Homosexuality is Illegal in Iran, India and the Arab world )
Infact the Anglican church and churches in Mainland Europe ( Nethelands, Sweden, Norway etc) do have gay & lesbian pastors and archbishops too ! In the USA ( a staunch Christian nation) gays enjoy their freedom, liberties and social networking through clubs. cliques and even their gaypride day, mardi gras etc. Can you now, imagine a bunch of gays / lesbians doing something even remotely similar in a land filled with Hindos ? Look what happened to the recent newsreport of a Bollywood movie depicting Lesbianism !
http://www.hindu.com/2004/06/16/stories/2004061603051200.htm
Kumari
141
10:05 am
Well said kristen, very true ! Women in the west certainly have more freedom than in India or the middle east. I can’t believe this idiot MM actually said that India was way ahead of USA in terms of “freedom”. Wonder, which “India” he lives in ?
Sandip Bhattacharya
142
10:24 am
Kristin,
I am actually quite uncomfortable with you using “Hinduism” and “Indian” interchangeably. India is not just Hinduism. India as a country is a different idea (as envisaged by our forefathers) from Hinduism. We are not a theocratic state (yet! Or at least in the times BJP is not in power).
Kristin
143
11:01 am
Sandip, I never meant to include all well meaning Hindos in that category. The bone of contention here are the radical losers who tout Hindo fanaticism as their only means of security. The Islamists are quite the same too.
I have personally met nice Hindos both in my homsetown Pittsburg, PA and the place where I work Arizona.
The MM : Don’t worry nimrod, those pink undies were purchased cheap from some second hand Vietnamese store down the park…probably soiled….apt for those retards at Bangalore ! lol
joseph
144
5:27 pm
Haha, Kristin — kudos to you for your bravery and concern. Well done, and also don’t forget to send some pink undies with female bracelets and bangels to the BJP losers at Delhi. Especially one ugly balding old fart called LK Advani & his Nazi wannabe Saffron goons, who believe it or not actually dreams of being the PM of this country. Welcome to the “Geriatric Park” ! God help us all.
Oh and God Bless America ! And did I miss saying you are truly beautiful too !! Wink.
forufrom1987
145
12:54 am
A fact that needs to be understood by people of all nationalities that this act of Shri Ram Sene of beating women is totally despicable and also nothing about religion.
It’s time the Hindutvis, Islamists and ALSO the neo-con Christians understand the importance of multi-cultural democracies. Theological societies have always failed be it the Roman Church’s rule or the present day Taliban.
The countries that are farthest from any one religion are the best.
As some Monica claims above, Chirstian USA. Sorry, it does not have any declared state religion. Armenia is one declared Christian country as such and we see it is not much of a success story.. Muslim dominated countries like Indonesia, Turkey could do better because they don’t stand by a religion and remain secular. A contrast is found in Sudan and Saudi Arabia. Luckily, there is no such Hindu declared country in the world, but unfortunately such outfits proclaiming ot fight on behalf of hindus do exist.
Bring down walls, do not build walls.
Vidya
146
9:15 am
Thanks for the support Kristin & friends from America. In India women are treated worse than animals. Female infanticide is the highest. We are almost no better than the Taliban ruled states. One thing Christian societies fostered was democracy, Scientific superiority and ofcourse equality between the sexes. Also i notice than White Christian women or Christian women generally are as capable and strong as their males. But in India its different. Thanks anyway.
Hindu Jagruti Samiti
147
9:38 am
hey your stuped woman vidya. what you talk you ha ? blady hell, aurat to purush ke barabar nahi ho sakthi. we men are your protectors against evil xxtian dirty culture and pollushan of west. white woman are whores. pub is against hindu dharma. learn your cultar better, varna aur kateeniye hos shaktha, samji kya ?
Bharat varsh and Hindu culture is being threat by evil Jew xxtian and islam culture. we must wipe them from bharat ma.
2s
148
11:51 am
@Hindu Jagruti Samiti
Your comment has been removed due to abuse. Please refrain from using abusive languge on the post.
Kristin
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12:23 pm
Thanks for your kind words Vidya. I have never been to India personally, but have seen documentaries and read about the cruel and irrational manner in which Upper Caste Hindo men treat the so called “lower castes”, minorities and women. Its a shame that even in the 21st century, these despicable primitive cave apes there , (whether it is the Moslem nutjob or the retarded Hindo fanatic) treat their women worse than chattel.
In the west we fought our way through. Also my suggestion ( which btw is quite popular in the west) is learn to protect yourself. I have already completed my Black Belt in Karate ( Shito Ryo and Shotokan America, 3rd dana, for my fitness routine I also practice Shaolin kempo kickboxing and cardio workouts - very refereshing !) If faced with any goons, I can confidently take them and give ‘em a real ass-whupping, they’d never forget. Too bad, we live poles apart - Lol.
Only you can be responsible for your welfare. Martial arts is highly popular among young girls, infat the world’s youngest leading record breaking Martial arts champion in both male / female category is a young barely 5 fft tall delicate blonde Polish Catholic American girl Michelle Krasnoo, who has beaten even huge 6 foot plus African men to win Karate championships ! :
http://www.worldblackbelt.com/Pages/Oct03_Michelle_Krasnoo.asp?SID=
Be confident and keep ur chin up to these morons !
Varghese
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6:49 pm
Wow kristian amazing ! Thanks for your support. As an Indian Christian, I appreciate your ideas. Well done and keep it up !
Angelina Mendes
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7:30 pm
Very interesting Kristin, I happen to be a female Martial artist too. I believe Martial Arts is not just a great defense skill for women, but a mental exercise to improve concentration too…..as a Medical Doctor, I encourage people of both sexes to enter these programs. I earned by black belt by age 15. I’m on my 4th dana. I also practice Taekwando, which I believe is more complex and arduous than Karate-Do or the Katas. And if that still is’nt enough coincidence, than guess what I’m an Indian Catholic too of Portuguese decent ( my ancestors came to Goa & colonised it centuries ago, there are still some of us left, albeit most of us have already returned back to Portugal..in a few years I too am heading back home to Sao-Miguel, Azores, Portgual !)
You could also check out my “youtube” profile and videos / playlists :
http://www.youtube.com/user/AngelinaMendes87
Michelle Krasnoo, like you mentioned is a great legend in Martial arts , her combative strategy against male opponents twice or thrice her size and weight is outstanding. Her style is Tang Soo Do - highly effective in street combat with more than 2-3 opponents. It has worked for me very well. A perfect medicine for these Hindutva MCP psychotics ! Check out her promo Video and link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqVQfL6jGgA
shiv
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12:59 am
Dear Monca and Kristin
Please can u give me your email address. I will show you “what is the real hinduism?” You are seeing the hinduism which are polluted in last 1200 year. Good example is ” Atithi devo bhawa (Guest is god)”. But you people con not be god. Hinduism teach how ypu can become GOD. It has power to build a man as god. But people (even hindu people) can not undrestand its power. These Ram sena are trying to protect this dhram. If you realy intersten in hinduism write email to shiv_sr5@yahoo.co.in
Thanking you
Shiv Shankar
Kristin
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1:06 pm
Angelina,
Great to hear from you and it was a pleasure chatting with you via webcam. You do look more beautiful than those profile pictures on your youtube webpage ! Anyway, Indian Catholics from Goa have always been welcome here. I’ve encountered a few and it was a pleasure - unlike their Hindo counterparts they are clean cut, intelligent, well behaved and westernised, they blend in all right. Btw, this movie star from the Oscar winner - Slumdog Millionaire, Freida Pinto is of Portuguese Catholic decent too. And she is certainly gorgeous, she even bagged a role with Woody Allen and is a big thing in the industry. I tried to msg you on ur youtube a/c but it was blocked so I decided to drop in a note of appreciation here. Send me and email so I can touch base with u later. See ya.
“These Ram sena are trying to protect this dhram. If you realy intersten in hinduism write email to shiv_sr5@yahoo.co.in”
Thanks but NO thanks shivsanker, If this is what you still believe about the mindless violence in your country against your womenfolk, then we have nothing to talk about except we sending you and your goons more “pink undies” - 2nd hand from the Vietnamese store ! I’ll call it a day and leave this forum. Good luck to all women in India and elsewhere ! Keep the spirit alive ! And give these Hindo Upper Caste goons a can of cheap beer the next time they agitate…LOL !
DharamRakshak
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1:40 pm
Hey xtian white people. You all be talking nonsense. Look at our Hindu brahmin H1B intelligent peoples dominating and inventing sciencee and miathematisc in Amarica, UK. Your west xtian culture needs Hindu brains to develop without us you are nothing. Our IIT and computer software skills are best in tha world. Okay, dont you mess with us okay hah! Indian brains and education and computer software is better than whiteman.
Jasper
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3:03 pm
When England was inventing the industrial world, did it need H1B Indians for its innovation? Does Japan which is now leading the world in technology need H1B Hindoos for innovation. If H1B Indians are much brighter than Whites why is it that in computing competitions they lag behind Northern Europeans and East Asians?
http://icpc.baylor.edu/past/icpc2007/Finals/Results-2007/standings-2007.htm
Look how badly the famed Indian Institute of Technology (the top science institutes of India) do in these competitions.
This is Petyr from Russia who topped the algorithm section of topcoder
http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=MemberProfile&cr=10574855&tab=alg
http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=AlgoRank
Also check the International Olympiad in Informatics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Olympiad_in_Informatics
No Indian H1B holder here!
Yeah right, Christian Whites do not have the skills that Asians Indians have as these companies claim. The truth is companies use cheap Indian coolies to undercut White innovative talent.
DharamRakshak
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3:12 pm
You stuped white bwai, what you be talking nonsense. Hinduism is giving birth to all great knowledge in our Bhagwat Gita and Vedas not like your scriptures man. Look and study about worlds greatest and oldest religion Hinduism, we invented vaccine for AIDS, Cancer and our Yoga guru Sri Baba Ramdev is better than any west docter. Internet and computer software was invented and be writed in our Vedas, only then the evil xtians whitemen copied and stole Hindu techonogy to west. Cruel xtian british, portogese and that whore xtian italian rani soniya antonia maino with her congress party servers is ruling our Bharat Varsh. We must get rid of evil xtian conquerors. You white xtians only ruled us. Why I be happy about that ????
Here is this real truth story of this foreign white xtian lady pseudo-gandhi ruler of Bharat Varsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OcJ8i3oTqE#
R.Sajan
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6:45 pm
Indians actually need not care for other younger races because every one out of six humans is an Indian. It is the others who should try to emulate India. They had all been ‘monkeys’ when India wrote her Anangaranga and Kama Sastra.
The riff-raff that you find in Yahoo chat rooms and the like do not represent India. Monika is okay to voice her opinions; but for her generalisation. She might note again that Indians are 1/6th of humanity. It might irk her that her own people are very less demographically and cannot any longer influence the world, whereas India can.
neeta
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9:31 pm
hey why u guys have forgot the main issue and discussing something meaningless??? GIVE THREE CHEERS FOR PINK CHADDI CAMPAIGN…
Jasper
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9:52 pm
“The riff-raff that you find in Yahoo chat rooms and the like do not represent India. Monika is okay to voice her opinions; but for her generalisation. She might note again that Indians are 1/6th of humanity. It might irk her that her own people are very less demographically and cannot any longer influence the world, whereas India can.”
So your point is that because Indians have a greater population that should make them the rulers of Earth and give them an edge over the Christian or Jewish white man ??
You need a History lesson 101 :- Whites were always less than 1/4th of the world, yet Christian white ladies and men conquered, defeated and ruled over not to mention intorduced Modern Science, Tech and civilization to the darker savage majority ( 3/4th) of the world ! Infact, History gives testament to the fact that a lone beautiful young Christian lady ( barely out of her teens) - Queen of England defeated, single handedly tamed and conquered 3/4th of the world filled with darker pagan tribes including India to rule over and civilize the natives. Your point is moot ! Huh, you people can never match against one lone white lady, what makes you think you can get the better of the entire white Christian race ?
DharamRakshak
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10:25 pm
Hello Mr jasper - xxtian imperalistic whiteman ignorent of truth of Hindu universe and Dharma.
Wait dear your commants. Hey what are you say man, white men and womean ruling over “pagan darkie tribes” ! How very ignorant of you mister.
The whiteman is powerful because he be had a gun to coloneise over Africa, Asia and Auestralia. In reality, white xtian people are soft, delicate and weak. The African men are more bigger, muscular and stronger than white man that is why he be dominating in Physical strength ! Okay mister.
Jasper
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10:41 pm
“The whiteman is powerful because he be had a gun to coloneise over Africa, Asia and Auestralia. In reality, white xtian people are soft, delicate and weak. The African men are more bigger, muscular and stronger than white man that is why he be dominating in Physical strength ! ” - DharamRakshak.
Obviously, you don’t have any clue over reality. It is a known Physiological fact that except for the 1A fast twitch muscle fibre in their Gastrocnemius ( evolutionary physiology studies show that African Sub Saharans needed that for running far of distances to hunt for food and water), the tall, “bigger, muscular” African Negro man is definately Physically weaker than White men and women. Excepting Basketball where jumping and Calf work is required, almost every proferssional Strong man, Physical combat / fight tournaments are dominated by White men and women. Be it the Strongman, Iron man competitions dominated by Christian White men and women from Norway, Sweden and the US / Canada or Australia or the various underground combat Martial arts fight tournaments like the UFC or Martial Arts championships ( the record is dominated by a white Catholic Polish American girl - Michelle Krasnoo ) or Heavy weight boxing ( dominated today by White Russians such as Vitelenko )
The bottomline : Whites defeated Africans, Asiatics and other because they were not just superior in terms of intelligence, organization and discipline but were also blessed with superior unmatched Strength !
And, talking about “soft, delicate and weak”, White Christian ladies in quite a few cases are even more adept at Physical combat than overfed, big huge African men.
Infact, in South Africa, in Vigilante communities, I saw a doco about how young white girls and lady cops bust African drug barons and their goons single handedly to protect their community along with their men.
Here are some Videos ( which are from some Real mixed Wrestling and fight events between a White Christian girl and a Big hulking muscular black man, see the “soft & delicate” white Christian girl winning each fight)..this is only the tip of the iceberg !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H34XnKPVdao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svOlfeF_XDo
Ricky
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11:06 pm
Jasper,
I was going through your posts with avid interest. You seem to get your facts right and am impressed with your ability to counter your detractor’s usually idiotic arguments ( especially that braindead dingbat dolt - Dharam Rakshak) but do you really need to prove everything to the likes of him. I am liberal white bloke living in London, UK. We do get a lot of Indians here and I love curry. I understand that as an ethnic group both Pakis and Africans are not quite integration friendly despite serious efforts by liberal elites to stamp out racism and pacify these minorities. However, at the same time you can never generalize an entire race. I was born a Catholic but stopped going to church and am not into the organized religion malarky like quite a few new gen Brits. However, I do understand that we are always going to be cultural Anglo Saxon Christians ( I admire and am proud of our glorious Christian heritage and the life of Christ, but am not in favor of organized religious heriachies using his name ) first and liberals later. As much as I try to be secular in my outllook, the recent disgusting attacks by Hindu fundamentalist groups against the minority Christians in India did upset me. I think such attacks against Christians anywhere is outrageous and tends to irk most New Gen liberal British people such as myself. Incidentally these Hindu right wing clowns are the same crooks that are now attacking women and stripping them of their fundamental rights to liberty. This time, my patience has run out and I will be sending a Cheque to different women lib groups and Christian groups in India. Nisha Susan can expect a few more Pink undergarments from my wife and her colleagues at office ! Hehehe !
R.Sajan
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11:12 pm
Civilisation is all about replacing brute force with thought and discussion. Because the whites were and are less civilised, they still use brute force to conquer. In history, we always find the less cultured brutally overcoming the greater cultures.
If you are more in number, what you do becomes the standard of your species. Asians are more and what they do becomes the standard for the human race.
Ricky
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11:23 pm
“whites are less civilised” ??? Blimey ! Than why do millions of your Hindu countrymen arrive in 1st Western shores in droves ? You never see white Europeans or Americans migrating to a 3rd world India, but the trend is quite popular vice versa. That should speak volumes lad.
Besides, if whites were truly “less civilised” as your ridiculous assertation suggests, than pray, how did we create the most grand civilization and Scientific marvel ever in recorded Human History ? You could even rebate the fact that Indians atbest love to imitate the “less civilisedwhite man” and his ways, eh..what a bummer !
forufrom1987
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12:25 am
Looking at the kind of comments above, it seems racists have got an open ground. A liberal has to be a racist for sometime to curb racism.
@ Ricky
“why do millions of your Hindu countrymen arrive in 1st Western shores in droves ? You never see white Europeans or Americans migrating to a 3rd world India, but the trend is quite popular vice versa.”
Well, Europeans or Americans do not migrate, there jobs and wealth does migrate here to India. Of course, Indians and Chinese (the Hindus and Buddhists) do not have to loot anyone’s wealth or become imperialist for that sake (the way Whites did). Please check : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) . That should speak volumes lad.
“how did we create the most grand civilization and Scientific marvel ever in recorded Human History ?”
Well, you seem to be totally oblivious of Greek Civilization and indus - Valley civilization (ancient hindu civilization rather). but, still your grand civilization was partly created by looting and partly by innovation and science. We like the innovation and science part of it, and now you can see jobs and wealth coming in droves from the first world countries!!
@Kristin
“And give these Hindo Upper Caste goons a can of cheap beer the next time they agitate”
respected ma’am, beer itself is not liked by many hindus and it is found cheap by many upper-caste hindus. So, no point wasting can of cheap beers! And, all these fundamentalist organizations are full of lower caste hindus (dalits), the jobless youth out of them. They love fighting on the name of Hinduism even when they are discriminated historically. The Christian converts out of them even love to call themselves as “Dalit Chistians”!! Of course, do I need to tell you that they convert not out of any respect for Christianity or Christ, but for money which Missionaries offer.. Capitalism in religion… LOL! Luckily, hindus never converted even in history, and do not convert in today’s world!
@Monica Einzinger
Austria ranks 34th, 35th and 37th in the strong economies list provided in the Wikipedia article given above which provide rankings from IMF, WB and CIA. India is 4th all through-out. Please stomach this. Austria may be a wonderful place, but if ensured more people like you, it will soon turn out a racist’s paradise!
“And for the record - You don’t see very many Europeans or Americans migrating to Hindu India now, do you ?”
Respected Ma’am, you see many European and American jobs and wealth migrating to Hindu India, don’t you?
Anyways, 4*9=36!!
forufrom1987
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12:30 am
Sorry, a typo in the above comment. The actual list is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
The links of IMF, WB and CIA sources are also provided there.
Karmadude
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12:31 am
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