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Oct222008
Yesterday wasn’t all bad…
In fact in many respects, it was a very good day. And since it’s important for us, in these times, to focus on the positive in order to maintain a positive, hope-filled attitude, allow me to enumerate the things that made yesterday good.
raj thakerey got arrested: Self explanatory. Enough has been said on this already. About time this happened.
The Maharashtra Govt. finally showed some balls & did something they should’ve done decades ago, if you get my drift! They slapped case after case on him & put in a plea for rejection of his bail application. Good going on the front!
Now all that remains is for them to give a fitting reply to his rioting supporters. Lathi charge them into submission. Put so much pressure on him & them, that their will finally breaks.
Once this is done, when they’re less of a danger to society, they can be allowed out again. Instead of letting them crap all around the place, it’s best that they’re potty trained. If he’s on a leash, even better! 
India hammered Australia: What a walloping! Not only did they beat the Aussie cricket team, they also hurt their egos with the manner & the margin of defeat!
What superb wins for India! Ganguly, Gambhir, Dhoni, Sehwag, Mishra, Zaheer, Harbhajan! TOTAL team effort! Maybe raj thakre would do well to take a look at this team. It will teach him a thing or two about what a united effort can bring about. It will also tell him that this win came about partly because of a Bihari captain & a Bihari debutant leggie!
The Supreme Court dismisses POTA pinning attempt: A slap in the face of the animal people seem to mistake as eligible for election & CM duty! Read more here in case you missed it.
Truly a lot to cheer about!!!
Does anyone have anything they can add to this list?
The views expressed in this post are those of the writer and are not necessarily endorsed by Mutiny.in
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why?
001
6:27 pm
Yes, for a change you have written a positive sounding post. although the old habit of harping at the saffroners for every small and big thing has not vanished. Uh, Old habits die hard. I understand.
1conoclast
002
6:57 pm
why?
2 questions for you to answer:
1. Where can you see saffroner bashing here?
2. What is right with saffroners that doesn’t call for bashing?
You seem to want to engage in debate. Let’s do it.
why?
003
7:07 pm
You dont have to use that word to get at them. what was the last Pota para abt?
Bash them all you want, just dont make mutiny all about bashing them.
i too wanna debate, but too busy rite now, gotta go.
1conoclast
004
7:12 pm
why?
You used the word saffroners, not me.
Why don’t you read the POTA para & figure out what it’s about. It’s a comment on a decision of the judiciary on a matter that concerns the nation. What do you think it is.
The questions are waiting for you whenever you return.
Naveen Roy
005
1:05 am
I just wish they would do the same to countless other manic politicians in the country….also to the guys who go around breaking churches…..oh! wait…..that was just a reaction to the conversions…..damn, we keep forgetting that!!
nagashankar
006
4:00 am
good news is always encouraging but something i didn’t like was you haven’t mentioned sachin’s name !!!! To add to the list india’s chandrayan launch
shhh...now
007
10:05 am
ohhh my Greek God, now I am worried about your safety.
You got Thackeray’s spelling wrong. Not to mention your ‘&’s too. I heard Raj Thackeray is veryyy particular about his M and M’s. (I mean Mumbai and Maha). Tumhara Kalyan ho and may Kalyan cops protect you from MNS wrath.
And why are you dragging Savage Garden into your Pota rant?
I agree with Why. Of course, your post is awash with red (non-commie) against saffron. But, then..Why…1Con is like Ravan. It is said Ravan, more than anyone else, chanted Ram Ram. Obesessions work thus.
1conoclast
008
2:38 pm
Naveen Roy,
Thanks.
Nagashankar,
Sorry for missing out on Sachin! The moon thing happened the next day!
shhh…now,
To hell with him.
I presume you mean passion when you say red…?
If you believe the Ram-ravan stories that is… And if you do, you might also want to consider that Ram apparently did an Ashwamedha Yagya to atone for the sin of killing a Brahman. Justice works thus?
You may want to reconsider what you’re calling Ram…
TT
009
2:57 am
Ppl,
while ppl were beaten up in mumbai, a lot of coverage was given by the hindi media to the outrage and rightly so. all the hindi politicians made their protests (and typically bihari style too - hang raj thakre!). of course the great cause of ‘we all are indians’ was invoked.
but if they truly belive in what they preach, then how come NONE of the above even mention / cover the FACT that for the railway posts situated in maharashtra, WHY NO ADVTS WERE PUBLISHED IN MARATHI / MAHARASHTRA BASED NEWS PAPERS? is the issue not relevant or important? are maharashtrains NOT indians? their sons and daughters DON”T need jobs? unless u cover this aspect and ask laloo for a serious answer instead of more popular inanities, ur article remains biased. pls understand that such biased attitude by others makes it difficult for marathis to support them. if they have to chose between a bullshitting laloo and a bullshitting raj, they will chose raj.
1conoclast
010
1:05 pm
TT…
Did bal-t ever become CM? Did his cronies last in power? What makes you think raj will?
The ads in Marathi newspapers you make sounds interesting though.
TT
011
4:27 pm
Of course i do not support raj thakre, and i know for a fact that he’s actually being used by CONGRESS. the same CONGRESS that used shivsena to get rid of communists in mumbai in the 60-70s (pls check history)
My point is that laloo is doing BLATANT regionalism by only giving jobs to his vote bank. he’s no different than raj thakre who can atleast claim he’s retaliating. and by completely hiding these FACTS abt the ads, the hindi and ‘national’ media is also doing regionalism. this issue has been taken up by the marathi press (even the pro congress marathi press). so if u hide this REAL ISSUE LINKED WITH THE EXAM INCIDENT, then marathis will not be able to sympathise with the poor victims of the attack. pls write a post on this discrimination against ur fellow indian - marathis, will u? a request.
1conoclast
012
6:38 pm
TT,
Again, you could have a very valid point in that raj is being used the way bal was. Big mistake then & big mistake now. That is exactly the point I made in my post in case you missed it. Do glance at it quickly again.
One question on the Marathi paper thing: Are the jobs meant for people who do not understand Hindi? It’s our national language & is probably the language used in the railway offices. Shouldn’t the ad be in a Hindi newspaper?
TT
013
6:56 pm
People who don’t read hindi newspapers (that is 99.99999% marathis) don’t necessarily don’t understand hindi. most marathis actually do.
besides, even if hindi is a requirement, that does not mean railways shud not publish ads in marathi newspapers - the idea is to reach people and invite them, its not a test of hindi paper readership. hindi knowledge can be tested during the exams.
lastly, railways subscribes to the tri language policy (english, hindi and local language - result of the dravidian movement). so one can write exams in marathi too - fact.
laloo is acting like the goon he really is. and the entire hindi media is helping him supress the real grievances of maharashtrians. if people think a media onslaught is going to cow down the marathis, then u shud read the mails floating around even in highly educated marathi circles. marathis won’t be scared by paid media. raj is irrelevant for marathis, but the thousands of ‘uttar bharatiya ekata manch’ boards all over maharashtra are relevant.
we’ll fight. nehru found out. laloo will too.
1conoclast
014
7:30 pm
TT,
Fair point again.
I’m not saying at all that the ads shouldn’t appear in the Marathi newspapers. I’m just doubting the claim a little. Do you have any proof to offer that the ads didn’t appear in Marathi newspapers?
I like media bashing myself, but I also think a lot of it is very inconsistent. The English Media is biased, the Hindi media is biased. Only the papers I read aren’t biased. Is that how it should be?
Highly educated Marathi circles dont’ guarantee anything. Highly educated Germans still voted Hitler into power. Education doesn’t seem to stand a chance against Regionalism/Communalism.
Heartening of course is the fact that Maharashtrians like Amol Palekar, Sachin Tendulkar & Shobha De have always chosen to assert their Indian identity over their Marathi identity. The first two have spoken out openly against the thakres. So much for a Marathi renaissance.
Secondly, what did Nehru find out? That many people still believe that none of the later PM’s have been able to hold a candle to him?
TT
015
11:25 pm
Proof - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai/Bhujbal_Rane_offer_words_of_comfort_/articleshow/3630673.cms
a congress state minister has demanded why the ads were not published here. the same happened in 2003 when shivsena got lots of bad publicity, but lalu did not even bother to clarify why the ads were not printed in maharashtra. is laloo above the spirit of ‘indianness’?
what nehru found out was in context of the samyukta maharashtra movement. you can find out the details on the net.
despite all the bad publicity the thakres get (and they deserve it), while judging maharashtrians u must realise hat they they came to power only once in maharashtra in coalition with BJP. marathis are generally welcoming ppl with a civic sense and nationalism. we are the most cosmo state in india, don’t forget.
TT
016
1:46 pm
If you have been following the ‘national’ hindi and english media, you do not know this :-
Since Independence India’s States were formed on the Basis of the Local Languages. Logical. Since 1976, The employment criteria of the Railways Central Recruitment Board was divided into zones as per the General People of India. This division was based on the Local Language of the States.
Zone-A Bihar, Haryana, HP, MP, Rajasthan, UP, Andaman, Delhi formed the Hindi Speaking Zone.
Zone-B Maharashtra, Gujarat, Punjab & Chandigad, the Non Hindi Speaking Zone.
Zone-C Southern India States like Kerala, Karnataka, etc. & North Eastern States like Assam, Mizoram, Bengal etc.
The Central Employment Rule said that ‘All Exams for Employments in the respective Zones shall be Held in the Respective States Only.’ So that the Local People may get the Jobs in their Home Town. Very Logical. For 30 Years everything was going Fine.
But since 1987, there was a Minor Change in the Rule 9 Part 9.2.2, for Zone -B Jobs. And this was made a Rule since 1988. This change was that ‘As an optional Language of employement, People of Zone-A can Apply for Jobs in Zone-B.’ This opened up doors of Employement for All Zone-A aspirants in Zone-B areas.
But with this Clause there was a Sub-Clause, stating ‘ The Notice of Jobs in Zone-B areas for Zone-A aspirants, May be given in Zone-A Areas only.’ Because of this, Recruitment Notices for Jobs in Maharashtra, etc. are Displayed Only in states like UP, Bihar, etc. But these Notices are Seldom displayed in Newspapers of Maharashtra, etc.
So this time, for the 3000 Railway Posts in Maharashtra, 12000 Aspirants came from Zone-A areas as no ads were printed in newspapers in maharashtra. This of course is in the spirit of indianness. and in the same spirit, laloo has refused to even comment on this charge and decalred that for jobs in maharashtra, he’ll conduct exams out of maharashtra.
That Raj Thakre is a goon. Laloo is a cabinet minister of INDIA. Whats the difference? Any guess who will the 4.2 million educated unemployed in maharashtra follow?
1conoclast
017
9:24 pm
TT,
Thanks for the link. And for the reference to the samyukta maharashtra movement. I will look it up.
I don’t judge the Maharashtrians. I’ve lived here since 1992 & some of my closest friends are Maharashtrians. I judge the ones who side with either sena, and I judge them harshly (although I am no one to judge really. History is & God is).
All Indians are a welcoming people, so yes Maharashtrians too were (until recently) a welcoming people. As for the civic sense bit, I think you’ll have to get rid of the tobacco stains first before we can debate that.
For us being the most cosmo state in India, we can’t really pat ourselves on the back. It’s not because of us that it is so. It is because we’re one nation. It’s not like we have a choice to behave otherwise.
The point you’ve made about zones isn’t new. I’ve heard it on the Mutiny before. I would like you to give me some proof to this as well please.
If you’re right, I’m totally in agreement with you. Such subversive attempts are meant to be decried and are against the spirit of Indianness!
As for the 4.2M educated, unemployed in Maharashtra, haven’t they been around in previous elections? They didn’t follow the thakres then, what makes you hope that they will now?
And even if they do, History tells us that ultimately the regional movement has fizzled out in the interest of the nation, or caused a split. There is no hope but unity, based on love & tolerance.
TT
018
11:07 am
‘All Indians are a welcoming people’
I’ve lived in chennai. i don’t share ur view.
i don’t have proof for the railway rules. but they have been discussed in mainstream marathi media and laloo and his goons have not even bothered to respond. u can take his silence as proof.
Jagdeep Singh
019
12:00 pm
For a change you can write some good posts too !! Not bad … I know learning can be along process !!!
I cant wait for your next controversial stupid blog. i know its somewhere around the corner …
Ujj
020
12:15 pm
@jagdeep, For a change you like what 1con wrote
i know learning to like can be a long process !!!
i cant wait for you to bash the next post. i know its somewhere around the corner…
Jagdeep Singh
021
12:19 pm
I wont Disappoint you my friend!
:)
1conoclast
022
5:05 pm
TT @ 018,
I think you may want to speak to the sizeable Sindhi & Marwari population in Madras. I lived there for 8 days & I could figure it out. Here:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chennai/Marwaris_add_colour_to_Vyasarpadi_/articleshow/3511241.cms
Silence cannot always be taken as proof of guilt. Silence often represents great self-belief & knowledge that one is right.
If you can get your hands on yesterday’s DNA, you will find a study by them exposing the lies behind the mns’ railway “agitation”. Apparently, only the exam centre was Bombay; placement upon selection could be anywhere in India. It clarifies that among many other things.
Jags,
Ujj has responded to you so I won’t waste my breath.
Ujj,
This is a pleasant & welcome surprise. Thank you.
Jagdeep Singh
023
5:09 pm
Read the Comment by Ujj Properly!!!
1conoclast
024
5:17 pm
Jags…
You’re missing the point I think….
As usual?
Why don’t you ask Ujj to explain it to you so that you can understand it better?
1conoclast
025
12:12 am
TT…
A few more things:
Rajanikanth in Madras? He isn’t welcomed there I suppose…?
Khushboo?
The gorgeous Shriya Saran…?
All outsiders in Madras, right?
Sir… ab toh admit kar lo ki galat kaam kar rahe hain humare kuch marathi dost…
why?
026
12:50 am
This stupid notion about chennai has to be done away with!!!
Yes, it has a history of being anti-hindi, but that was because it was FORCED on them at one point of time. People there are NOT anti-north. There are SO many marwadi businessmen making a killing. people respect them and hold them high as great business brains. Many autos of chennai, the lifeline of the city, are owned my marwadis who give them out on lease. you think tamils killed them on the streets? the jewelers? the goldsmiths….the pawn shops…. u think they face bhandhs and agitations??
ask ANY north indian settled here and they ll tell you how peaceful that place is compared to any other metro. yeah, they say its boring, but tats a diff issue.
and where do you think all the actreses for kollywood come from? its always
from up-north or maharashtra or AP…. u think people dont ogle at them cos?
yes, the people dont like talking in hindi and do look at you as an outsider sometime, but that is not reason enough to compare them to what goons like Raj do in mumbai.
It was in MUMBAI though, that Shiv Sena came to lime light years back with their “Lungi Hatao” morcha against the Tamil population there.
Tell me one thing guys, TT, Raj, Raj_Tha…. and all of you,
you think Raj Thackerey was right in saying or doing wat he did with Amitabh Bachchan??
Now THAT, sure wudnt happen in Chennai. Look at Rajni man, he is a demi god. Who gives a fuck there if he is a tamilian or not?
So, DONT compare chennai to what happens in Mumbai.
1conoclast
027
1:03 am
why?,
Well said.
TT
028
11:48 am
Hi,
Thanks for the link on DNA. I’ve written to loksatta to find out if ads were indeed printed there as nobody has carried the news AND the railway source has not given the dates (even when the questioner demanded it). i still don’t understand why is the media not carrying the news that ads were printed, that will make things v tough for raj.
of course i don’t support raj and his beating ppl up. pls.
abt chennai, my experience was that if i spoke in hindi anywhere, i shud be ready to get swindled.
abt rajnikanth, dude, he speaks tamil in tamilnadu and does not say ‘i’m a marathi from karnataka so i’ll speak in marathi or kannada’ in public functions ala mrs bachchan. laloo and mulayam don’t go to chennai and tell ppl in public meetings that chennai belongs to them. and also the tamils in bangalore don’t assert themselves politically otherwise the same issue will happen there too. the question is not of marathis made into a minority but of loser politicians from north dominating them in maharashtra. there is no parallel to it in india. and our response is very mild compared to whats happening in assam.
btw the bihari man who was killed (pawan kumar), he died of falling from a train. its caught on CCTV.
why?
029
12:11 pm
Dude, you get swindled and bundled if you speak in Hindi, of course you do! Thats conning you, not because u r from up norh, but becoas they assume that u dont know the place and they can rip u off. its not regionalism, its making extra bucks out of an ignorant person.
TT
030
3:11 pm
Why?, i agree. but that makes the place inhospitable doesn’t it? a landless laborer from bihar will not dare go to chennai then innit?
why?
031
3:29 pm
oh come on… its not only the people from north they rip off…its anyone from outside…they charge in dollars if a firang goes to them. that happens in every indian city…the taxi wallahs outside delhi airport? mumbai??? bangalore autowallahs??? there is no reason at all you wud compare that to what is happening now in Mumbai.
It does not make the place inhospitable, not more than any other indian city where tourists come and go, and even if it does, it is not hooliganistic regionalism, is it? its jus a poor autowalla craving for more money…….
all this u r reffering to has no relevence to the topic…regionalism is declining in chennai…and increasing in mumbai thanks to Raj and Bal. and that is a bad bad thing.
1conoclast
032
3:38 pm
TT,
Slightly silly argument on being swindled in Madras being the equivalent of inhospitable. Foreigners get swindled outside Regal Cinema in Bombay all the time. Does that make Bombay inhospitable?
Rajani speaks Tamil because he acts in Tamil films. If Mrs. Bachchan was a Marathi actress she would’ve spoken the language freely. What you dont seem to get is that no regional politician gets up & forces people in Madras to speak Tamil. If there was force, he would have raised his voice. He is not averse to raising his voice. He took on Jayalalitha. He also idolizes Mr. Bachchan. Someone should ask him for his views on the entire fiasco.
The Tamils in Blr don’t assert themselves? Tamil is probably the second or the third most widely spoken language in Blr. It’s just that the Bangalore-ites are not given to forcing people to speak Kannada. The problem lies with the force that the idiots in Maharashtra are using. I picked up a smattering of Marathi when I moved to Pune because it’s spoken much more here than in Bombay. Fact is you don’t need the damn language in Bombay. I willingly spoke my broken Marathi in Pune, but if any bastard is going to try & force me, I’m going to show him the finger! No one tells anyone what to do in this country! You’re my equal, not my superior!
As for Tamils asserting themselves, maybe you should look at Sri Lanka.
And as far as the landless Bihari labourer is concerned, you shold take a look at Punjab.
1conoclast
033
3:32 pm
The truth about the Marathization of what was once India’s pride:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/whose-father-does-mumbai-belong-to/376835/0