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Jun112008
Electoral Views of a Techie
I dont know much about B. S. Yeddyurappa. All i know is that he is a BJP state leader, going to lead a state for 5 years. I don’t know much about the Opposition too. I heard news that the Opposition JDS, double crossed him during their coalition tenure that ruled the state before the election.
I’ve been here in Techville for almost of my good age. I commute for almost 3 hours a day just to reach office and back home. I spent my day time in front of a monitor, working for some unknown foreigner. I call it the Modern Colonization. But who cares. The government says that the IT industry is bringing in huge foreign money.
I stay away from my family for most of the year. I earn 10 times compared to what my father earns. Still his savings are 100 times mine. I’m as ignorant about whats happening in this foreign state as i’m about the things happening in my family. Why? All i can do, if i ever manage to get back home after work, is to eat and sleep. Before anyone else wakes up in the morning i’m up and ready to catch the bus to office, which has been timed to avoid the peak traffic on the road. But still manages to be in the midst of traffic everyday.
So Mr. B. S. Yeddyurappa or rather Yeddy or BSY, as you should be hence forth called as reported by the morning-gossip paper, i have a request.
Your state is now on the map, not because its the Garden City (leave alone the gardens, there are no more trees left here), its because of young people like us. We put Techville a.k. Bangalore a.k.a Bengaluru (do u have any new names in store???) on the map. But what did the state give us?
We are mistreated by the Auto Army. Despite the hike in fares they still ask for a fortune. Mugged by locals. The new international Airport is a good 5hrs journey (approx the same time it takes for me to reach Coorg from where i stay). Petrol/Diesel prices are the highest in the country. Traffic is a mess.
I don’t expect you to make a difference to all these. But i expect a fair deal. I spent my youth and energy away from home, staying at a place that i thought i could call home. As a kid i was taught that all of India as a nation is one. I find prejudice against people here. I feel like i’m far from home.
I’m afraid to travel by bus or car as i don’t know when an accident can happen and the mob to burn the vehicle i’m traveling at.The Police sometimes only speak to you in their native language, if they know that you’re from out of town.
This is where i earn my daily bread and this is where i live. So is it too much for me to ask for better way for things. I add to the local diversity that is sometimes herald by the media. Why cant i just say Our State and not just Your State?
All said and all promises given, at the time of next election we shouldn’t be asking Yelli-ddyurappa???
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Nikhil Narayanan
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5:02 pm
This post in SEX?
Whats happening mutiny??
sanjukta
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5:25 pm
Well said, Jerry. A good come back.
Which Main? What Cross?
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5:38 pm
Sex. Must be one of the things techies aren’t getting.
Ujj
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6:17 pm
echo Nikhil.
I just hope this post does not start another alien Vs host debate. I think there are some facts that are incorrect.
1. Autowalas loot everyone, not just the non Bangaloreans. If it were for them, they’d loot themselves.
2. traffic is a problem with all metropols
3. Petrol prices, isnt that a global problem?. may be a few bucks more here than in any other State, but you do earn a lot dont you !
4. airport is better off far from the city. may be you visit the airport once in a month (at best) people had to commute through the old airport road everyday.
5. and well the Police, well I cant agree with you more. but Since I have lived in 7 different states, I can tell you, Police is our only enemny wherever you go.
and finally you started with ‘dont know much about B. S. Yeddyurappa’ , well since this is your home brother, dont you think you should?
Not to say that your concerns aren’t genuine but if you take them like you’re being targeted, you’ll soon start believing in it, even if you are not.
manuscrypts
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6:30 pm
@nikhil maybe them editors cut off all the masala stuff.. maybe the original post had loads of er, it
meanwhile, our state/ your state really doesnt matter, its just a state of affairs that needs to be bettered, for every citizen living here, and paying taxes…
Jerry
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6:34 pm
well its a far off connection. long time in office and worse transport infrastructure leads to poor family life… and hence the category SEX
Nikhil Narayanan
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8:05 pm
@Ujj
Yes,auto wallahs loot everyone;but loot the outsider more and an outsider techie even more
This post I guess has come from sheer ignorance and would call this an idiotic post,to say the least.
Read TOI religiously if not any other newspaper and you would have known about Yeddi.
People including cops,vendors,richshaw wallahs all have an anti-outsider feeling.
You try arguing for sometime with a ric-wallah, and dang! he will start of in Kannada, and ask you to speak in Kannada; and start abusing all outsiders.
@Jerry
Not sure if u tried acting funny…but a LOUSY reason. But, your blog, how does it matter to me, huh!
Sudarshan
008
12:50 am
If you don’t like it, please go back to wherever you came from. Nobody seems to be pressuring you to stay on, putting your lives in peril. You are not in alien territory, and you are not fighting in a war. Go back to the good old days (in the good old place you hail from. That might still be caught in a time wrap, preserving it as your daddy knew it). Maybe you will earn ten times less than you do, but your savings will be a 100 times more. You will have all the time in the world to do whatever you want, when you aren’t doing anything productive. You won’t have to put up with auto drivers who loot you, traffic, high petrol prices, and rude locals. You can be the king of your tiny kingdom, speaking your own language. You can talk to the locals there in the only language YOU know, and get a reply in your language.
Wherever you are from, please go back. We don’t deserve your exalted presence, your honor.
sanjukta
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1:11 pm
Oh no is this post becoming a Bangalorean v. non bangalorean post… I don’t get it why can’t the locals take criticism? You would only get better if you’d accept the problems you know.
Sudarshan
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1:29 pm
As I said, we locals are uncivilized boors who don’t deserve your company. Our radars pick up signals from beings from outerspace, who come from distant lands, where autodrivers have rock bottom tariffs, where petrol is cheap, where there is no traffic and where there are only shiny, happy people.
If the author feels far from home, thats only because he IS far from home. As a child, he not only learnt that all of India is one. He also learnt that there are 22 national languages in India, not just his own.
About the police talking to the author *only* in their local language, I believe it is his fundamental right to do so. I stayed in Lucknow, and the police there talk ONLY in their local language. I don’t go around bad-mouthing them for that, do I? No. Like any respectful Indian, I learnt the local language there. Maybe you could take a leaf out of that and learn the local language. You know, when in Rome, be a Roman. Maybe you learnt all that too as a child.
chacko
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1:35 pm
@Sudarshan, good point.
Sudarshan
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4:00 pm
@ Nikhil Narayanan
The ric-wallah has every right to speak in Kannada. His English is not up to scratch. Please forgive him for not attending an English medium school when he was young. He was not lucky enough to learn Hindi either. So he speaks in broken English, and to express himself without handicap, reverts to the language he knows. This is India, in case you forgot. And as an Indian, he has every right to speak the official language (Kannada) of the state he is in (Karnataka).
If you are a visitor, YOU need to blend in. That is how normal humans survive in foreign lands. Of course, on the other hand, if you are an invader looking to mooch off the riches of the land you invade, you need not blend in. Invaders don’t win over the hearts of the locals anywhere.
@ The author
Before wailing about the traffic problems you face, try to comprehend that you are not part of the solution here. You are part of the problem. If you had only stayed wherever you came from, you would not have had to crib about the traffic so much. You would have let US enjoy wide open roads too, for that matter. Infrastructure meant for 4 lac cars wouldn’t have had to be pressurized by 8 lac.
Nikhil Narayanan
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4:07 pm
@Sudarshan
Man! you got me absolutely wrong.
Yes, I am an outsider. But, I speak in Kannada with auto wallahs.
During an argument, I run out of Kannada and then they would ask me to speak in Kannada or else shut up!!! That is what I meant.
And ya,you are good at sarcasm
Sudarshan
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4:15 pm
When you run out of Kannada, that means the driver, with his logic, has left you speechless.
At that point in time, you are supposed to bow down before him, and pay him the prize for his moral victory
I know a few guys abusing ric-wallahs because he does not know Hindi, and maybe the ric-wallah has learnt from past experience
Nikhil Narayanan
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4:19 pm
@Sudarshan
I don’t abuse him for not knowing Hindi. I am quite not sure how many ric wallahs back home in Trivandrum know Hindi.
I DO NOT belong to the school that expects everybody in India to know Hindi for it is our national language.
Do I see a white flag being waved?
Sudarshan
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4:25 pm
I was talking of some guys I know who do that, not you…. Narayanan, after all, is not a likely surname of somebody who would be ignorant of the fact that there are umpteen languages spoken in India
Nikhil Narayanan
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4:45 pm
Ya, totally
good reasoning.
Chintamani Kurse
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7:11 pm
Let x be your father’s income, 10 x would be your income then. Let z be your expenditure and y be your father’s expenditure.
x-y=100(10x-z)
x-y = 1000x - 10z
10z-y = 999x
=> z is at least 100 times y
if that is the case then food here would be 100 times costlier, so if a dosa here is 10rs., in his awesome place dosa is for 10 paise, if rent here is 10000, rent there is 100, where exactly do you come from?
if moving in an auto costs 100rs. here it costs 1 re. there.
It also means that your expenditure is more than your salary both at your father and you!! Or ws it metaphoric? I dont think you are capable of it, if that is the case.
Chintamani Kurse
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7:12 pm
Also that would mean, if you earn say 50000 per month, your father would get 5000 per month. Lets say his monthly savings in that be 1000 Rs. If he spent all his salary on your fees, he would have saved for 19 years for you!!! At least.
sanjukta
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12:43 am
@Sudarshan,
While I don’t want to participate in this debate too actively i wud ask one small thing… by asking the non kannada speakers to learn the local language are u suggesting an Indian is supposed to learn the local language everytime he / she travels to a new state, by that means one with a touring job must have the caliber to pick up 22 languages thru the span of his work life.
Now, as an intelligent person you’d know anything that is not south India is NOT North India. There is west and east and much more. I personally have travelled as far as Sikkim in the north east, Andaman and Nicobor Islands towards the south, been to Orissa, Vizag on the South-East side, to most of southern India (TN, Kerela) and of course pune, mumbai, nagpur, on the west, Rajasthan on the North-west, most of NORTH like Himachal, Uttranchal, and central India Chattisgarh - Bilaspur, Durg and I belong to West Bengal so pretty much been to all over east of India.
Of all the places I have been No where in the country did I face so much language problem except the south of India. The whole of the country can manage a bit of Hindi, one can communicate so save life. BUT OMG in southern India, you can’t even communicate that you are dying and u need help. You can keep talking to them in Hindi, english or whatever language you know but all they would do is stare at you like they are looking at a muted television. All they can see is hands, they can’t hear you. They don’t even tell you they are not getting you. Unless you have seen it yourself you wouldn’t believe how frustrating it is.
How come I am not asked to pick up Marathi when in nagpur or pune, not asked to learn oriya when am in Puri or some place as remote and tribal dominated as koraput, not asked to pick up bengali when in Kolkata or Sikkim, not asked to pick gharwali or punjabi or rajasthani….
Why only in southern India are we treated as outsider who must learn to be like the localites, must adhere to the ways of life the locals have otherwise must get lost.
If the country have to one country there has to be at least one common language for the basic means of communication. Like you hve one common currency. Let it be English I don’t have a problem. But to expect everybody taking jobs in south india to learn tamil kannada etc is too arrogant. Really.
And what about people who are tourist, they are not here to stay, they should blend in too take a language course before coming?
Just why is South India so hostile to Hindi language. It’s one of the easiest to pick up, if we agree one country needs at least one common language why cant that language be Hindi.
Will this language debate never end?
Sudarshan
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1:42 am
Spoken like a TDC (look it up).
You seem to be unaware of how unwelcome the uncouth outsider from the cow belt is in Assam, Maharashtra, Punjab and Tamilnadu. And I guess you are ignorant about how English speaking foreigners (tourists and migrants) manage to find their way around non English speaking countries like France, Russia, Japan and Brazil. (Hint: They don’t go around cussing the natives and demanding they speak Mandarin as we need to all speak just one language).
Now about your pitch for English. One country need not have just ONE common language. In the school you went to, they probably did not teach you about Unity in Diversity. And demanding the poor who don’t have food to eat to learn English is astoundingly stupid.
On the other hand, if we DO decide to have English and only English, we can try getting the illiterate north to learn it first. We manage very well with English AND Kannada/Tamil/Telugu/Malayalam. Most of the south Indians know three languages atleast. Its the uncivilized folk from above the vindhyas that cannot speak in English to save their skins. Just so you know, North India is NOT just Delhi. Travel 70 kilometers from the heart of Delhi, and an English signboard is about as common as snow in Bengaluru, or brains in UP. Try managing one day in UP speaking just English, without a word of Hindi, and then lets discuss your experiences threadbare here.
As long as there are idiots that expect rickshaw wallahs to converse with them in English, this language debate need not end. As long as you believe the more developed regions of this country need to bend over backwards because the boors from up north are physically incapable of learning the basics of one additional language, this “language debate” cannot end. As long as the people with Bush’s IQ truly believe that we need only one language in India (and it should be theirs, of course), the language debate will not end.
About your “one common currency” now. The world is managing very well with a multitude of currencies. Please google about the Dollar, the Euro, the Yen, the Pound Sterling, the Yuan, the Australian Dollar, the Singapore Dollar, the Indian Rupee, the Bangla Taka, the Russian Rouble, the South African Rand and a hundred other currencies that are in active circulation today. Surprisingly, nobody is demanding one world currency, so that it is easier for them to trade.
If we need one common language in India (and we don’t, by the way), it could be Sanskrit. Not its bastardized version that the ruffians speak.
Now, why just stop at the national level? If we are integrating, why not integrate the whole world? Let us ban Hindi, and the Rupee. Let us all speak Mandarin (as it has the maximum number of native speakers). Let us cast English, French, Spanish and Portuguese to the dustbins of history. Let us have one currency throughout the world. And let it be the Yuan, because it is China’s currency. Unless there are serious plans afoot to implement the One-World, One-Language theme, we can let India have a multitude of languages. We are very happy with Kannada, another South Indian language and a smattering of English. If you don’t like it here, maybe you need to explore other options in North India. If you are from Delhi, you could go to, say, Lucknow. Or Patna. Or Ranchi. Instead of putting up with chauvinistic people in Hyderabad, Chennai and Bengaluru. Like I said before, we are not worthy of your presence.
Sudarshan
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1:48 am
Apologies to mutiny for the looooooong post.
But
Of all the places I have been No where in the country did I face so much language problem except the south of India. The whole of the country can manage a bit of Hindi, one can communicate so save life. BUT OMG in southern India, you can’t even communicate that you are dying and u need help. You can keep talking to them in Hindi, english or whatever language you know but all they would do is stare at you like they are looking at a muted television. All they can see is hands, they can’t hear you. They don’t even tell you they are not getting you. Unless you have seen it yourself you wouldn’t believe how frustrating it is.
Needed an apt response.
Sudarshan
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2:37 am
Oh, clarification. All the polite descriptions apply only to the people who demand the locals talk to them in their language, and the ones who believe their language, somehow, is superior to all the other languages spoken in the country. Samje kaa babua *scratching unmentionables*?
Nikhil Narayanan
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9:44 am
@Sanjukta
I am no anti some language.
You said -”Of all the places I have been No where in the country did I face so much language problem except the south of India.”
The cause is: South Indian languages are Dravidian languages and are NOT based on Hindi. (Though there is a Sanskrit influence Malayalam to Tamil )
An Oriya or a Marathi has some connection to Hindi in the way sentences are structured etc. (From what I understand)
The 4 South Indian languages are completely different (root wise).
I have traveled to most places in India and am NOT an anti Southie/Northie whatever.
sanjukta
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1:20 pm
@Nikhil Narayan
And that is why it makes perfect sense to make Hindi the common language. We can keep debating this till no end but the practical thing to do is to have one common language for basic communication….. by basic communication i mean the police, the travel desk, the general hospitals doctors, the city cab operators etc.
I am a bong but I accept Hindi as the common language, and so does all my cousins and extended family who live in Kolkata and other parts of West Bengal. Like I said, this hostility towards anybody who is not a southie is only seen in South India. And of course anything that is not south is north. The southies never bothered to learn about the countries geography anyway.
If you’d read my long comment above, did I ever use a single bad word for the whole of South Indian community? I didn’t. But look at the response from Mr. Sudarshan, his choice of golden words and the intent….
“illiterate north”,
“uncivilized folk from above the vindhyas that cannot speak in English to save their skins”
“…more developed regions of this country need to bend over backwards because the boors from up north…”
“if we need one common language in India (and we don’t, by the way), it could be Sanskrit. Not its bastardized version that the ruffians speak.”
Proves my point. Arrogant, Rude and shallow.
@sudarshan
Am glad you said “unity and diversity” So of the hundreds of diverse language and culture that we have I said let’s have one common language to unite us. We keep our individual language alright, but when it comes to communicating to the rest of the country, lets have one common language, because you know we need UNITY in DIVERSITY. But no, in the past 60 years or so south of India never failed to oppose the use of Hindi as the national language of the country. So I ask you, what is it that would unite us? Learn Kannada? that is what would unite us?
You didn’t respond when I asked if I need to learn all the 22 languages by that means if I happen to be a traveler.
Funny you say “travel 70km from Delhi” after I have already given a list of the extensive traveling I have done. And mind you I have been to the remotest villages in all of those states I mentioned. Not like I was roaming in cities. From Baitu Koraput chamba Dumka, so you see I am speaking from experience. I am a Bong who lived most of the life in the cow belt and now live in Bangalore, so I obviously have multiple perspective, more than yours at least. What do you know what a cow belt dweller face in Far east when you yourselves are not a northie. You speak from what you hear from others don’t you? Prejudice and half baked knowledge isn’t it?
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Sad thing though is that its ONLY the so called “educated english speaking” south Indians who engage in and keep this debate of language alive.
I live in a very old local Kannada speaking colony in Ulsoor and I see how my 70 yr old landlady makes efforts to communicate with me with in whatever bit of Hindi and English she gathered from all the tv. Touches my heart to see her love and affection for me a ‘northie’.
But the young and modern white collared class, too arrogant and snobbish like Mr. Sudarshan would ensure we don’t have the diversity sans unity.
Nikhil Narayanan
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1:47 pm
@Sanjukta
I am NOT getting personal. Please note that.
I feel it is not all that easy for an average guy in Kerala who studied in Malayalam medium school and works as a rickshaw driver to learn Hindi.
“The southies never bothered to learn about the countries geography anyway.”
- I am unhappy that you made such a statement.You can’t generalize. Yes, I am a south Indian. I have a good knowledge of the geography.(and learnt that in Hindi!!!)
We are conditioned to call anyone who is not a South Indian, a North Indian(be it upbringing,schooling whatever the factors are).
Trust me, so many of my friends and colleagues(non South Indian)realized only after coming to the South, that the South itself is diverse.(be it language or culture)
As I said, when conditioning combines with lack of exposure/travel people become like this(You Southie, Me Northie types)
Sudarshan “offending you” does not mean that you can also take the same route.Two wrongs do not make a right.
Again, I usually do not get into such debates. I left Kerala 10 years ago.
Having studied in a Kendriya Vidyalaya has a helped a lot in accepting the diversities of India.
Later, made friends with people from across the nation in Warangal (NIT).
May be that stay influenced a lot. Even my stay in Pune (SIBM),taught me to go beyond N V/s S or such differences.
Even now, my flatmates are not Malayalees or Southies.One is a Konkani from Mumbai and another from Dehradun. (Jus’ telling you that I am not a northee v/s southee guy)
Sudarshan
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2:07 pm
Let’s have one common language to unite us? Why not let that be Mandarin?
What would “unite” us? A bit of respect from the guests, in the place they stay. And a little less “Hindi mein bolo. Ye India hai.” And a reduced sense of entitlement from the outsiders.
About the traveler, go outside the country and live for some time in France or Russia. You will know how to get by in places where you don’t know the local language.
And what would a cow belt dweller face in the Far east? Thank god we can get news online. Ever heard of the shortage of barbers in the Far east because all the Hindi speaking biharis have left? Let me help you out. Google for “Migrant workers killed in Assam”. And “Punjab hindi agitation”. And search for “MNS” in Google reader. And Anti-Hindi agitations in Tamil Nadu. And your own Sheila Dixit’s statements about Biharis. And normal Bengalis feeling that their language and culture is a million years ahead of the rest of India (Hint - Robindro shongeet). So that leaves out the Far East, the East, the South and the West from the list of people who welcome cowherds with open arms. So, you are left with the Bimaru states in your idea of a united India. Wow.
Google reduces the travel needed to get “perspective”. By the way, I *have* stayed in the cow belt. The comparison of the backward region with the rest of India just strengthens the case for having some sort of a visa system to prevent pollutants from migrating. If 45 million Spanish can have a country of their own, 60 million “Kannads” (and 250 million ‘Madrasis’) can manage very well without the freeriders clinging to our backs.
Here’s another link you can ruminate upon for “perspective”. Thank god we have google. http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/author/1850/51125/karnatakablogs.html
And its funny when you view two of your statements together.
Sad thing though is that its ONLY the so called “educated english speaking” south Indians who engage in and keep this debate of language alive.
The whole of the country can manage a bit of Hindi, one can communicate so save life. BUT OMG in southern India, you can’t even communicate that you are dying and u need help. You can keep talking to them in Hindi, english or whatever language you know but all they would do is stare at you like they are looking at a muted television. All they can see is hands, they can’t hear you. They don’t even tell you they are not getting you. Unless you have seen it yourself you wouldn’t believe how frustrating it is.
I gather from this, that all south Indians are educated, english speaking and anti-Hindi.
And the “Travel 70 km from Delhi” was for your pitch for English to be the one language that binds us. I’ve lived in the cow belt too, and your assumptions about my perspective are about as logical as the blog posted at the top of this page. Your claim of having more “perspective” than me would have been valid if only you knew my “perspective”. I have interacted enough with people from all over the country to know just how they feel about a multitude of issues, thanks to my education in two premier institutes of education (both outside Karnataka) that get students from all over the country. And I’ve interacted with “intelligent” people, unlike the people you would have met to form your opinions. But enough about me now. I don’t care which dance troupe you were a part of, and I’d appreciate if you stop taking the “I’ve seen everything’ tone. It doesn’t work so well on people who have seen as much as you have, and from higher up than you have.
sanjukta
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2:14 pm
@Nikhil Narayan
You didn’t have to tell me, it reflects in the very tone of your comments that you are not into this northie v. southie. I hope I don’t come across one either. Trust me I am not, hell I have more southie friends than northies. I have made more meaningful relationships here in Bangalore in just one year than I had in my entire life in Delhi.
But Mr. Sudarshan and the likes are just too closed minded and arrogant. The are snobbish, they think their language is pure and ours are bastardized, tell me honestly is this not a common feeling among quite a few of ‘Pure’ southies??
Sudarshan, the very first comment you made, it was uncalled for. This post at the outset is not about North v. South. It’s about infrastructure of the city and a city dwellers’ expectation from the newly formed Government.
Chintamani Kurse
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2:16 pm
@sanjukta:
Slow clapping in progress. Clap…….clap……….clap………….clap
Chintamani Kurse
030
2:19 pm
You know where else they speak in Hindi and can adjust with that? Pakistan, maybe they are more Indians than South Indians. Do I hear a “Bhaiyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaa” cry?
Sudarshan
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2:22 pm
The blog is by somebody who is pining to go back to the paradise he came from. I don’t see anything stopping him from going back to the place where petrol is cheap, auto drivers charge nothing, traffic is nonexistent and savings are a 100 times more with a salary thats 10 times lesser. If the place he spawned from is so awesome, I’d like to migrate there too leaving the developed country outside India that I currently stay in. It’s too bad he has not provided us with the coordinates. We inconsiderate migrants would flood the place and demand to be listened to in Kannada or English (never mind that the only language the locals know there is Hindi), if only we knew the location of his paradise. Are you listening, Mr. Jerry?
Chintamani Kurse
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2:29 pm
I wear a shirt made from cloth from Mumbai, a watch made by a company in Bangalore, I use a phone which is made in Chennai, I use a water botthle which is made in Bangalore, I use Microsoft whose Indian office in Hyderabad. I stay in a country whose capital is Delhi. Am I cosmopolitan or what?
Chintamani Kurse
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2:33 pm
i wanted to show i am not short of perspective in life, the shirt i wear reminds me of the struggle a mumbaikkar undergoes to dress the rest of india, the watch reminds me of times which were outside bangalore but are now made in bangalore, water bottle is a metaphorically suggesting, that Bangalore feeds me now. Phone reminds me that I must keep in touch with Chennai, though South of India, but a part of India. Microsoft reminds me of the hardwork that Naidu put to get the office in Hyderabad. And delhi reminds me despite so many things, some people hold us back
Ketan
034
2:50 pm
Well written post.
And unfortunately hijacked into a regional debate.
Mutiny seems to be having a lot of these lately.
Chintamani Kurse
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2:51 pm
I agree, sad turn of events, this could have been the perfect opportunity to say Bangalore sucks and how home is after all sweet home.
Vinayak
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2:57 pm
Looks like the whole post by Jerry ( as I recollect - very much a South Indian ) on Bangalore Infrastructure and or Honble Chief minister has been turned into a ‘Go Back Outsider or Bow before and lick the boots of the high and exalted localite kind of rhetoric.’. Disappointing.
But then possibly this is the product of social and political conditioning over the years which give rise to some xenophobic morons here. The city largely remains chilled out , big hearted and welcoming.
Surprisingly a few Bangaloreans believe that its North Indian influx into the city which is responsible for all its woes. How many of the outsiders who come into Bangalore are North Indians ? Arent still the majority of the outsiders from the South Indian states ?
Somehow I feel that whenever any criticism is made on the city by an outsider the response is a - ‘go fuck yourself you non kannada speaking uncultured brute’ by a few but very vocal individuals, ‘get out if you dont like it here’.
A better response would be - ‘Okay now since you live here how do you plan to solve it as you are now part of our family’.
The people with the ‘go fuck yourself’ attitude, like Mr. Sudarshan here( even though they might be from very highly rated institutions and seem to rely on the wealth of googled perspectives) do not really care about the betterment of the city. If they did they would have responded otherwise.
Thankfully people like him are in the minority and there is hope for the city.
Chintamani Kurse
037
3:02 pm
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.
“The people with the ‘go fuck yourself’ attitude, like Mr. Sudarshan here( even though they might be from very highly rated institutions and seem to rely on the wealth of googled perspectives) do not really care about the betterment of the city. If they did they would have responded otherwise.
Thankfully people like him are in the minority and there is hope for the city.”
Is in total difference to the kind of discrimination people seem to be facing in south india, bangalore etc. I dont get the complaint right now
snigdha
038
3:14 pm
@Jerry:- In case you are cursing the time when you pressed the publish buton, well, you have my full sympathy. What you meant by writing this post and what have people understood. Its funny to see how a simple expectation from the upcoming government can lead to such a political debate on language and regionalism.
Politicians need an agenda based on which they need to attract vote. Unfortunately in many regions of India, this has become a succesful mantra to win votes and there are enough fools to fall prey to this “all anti northi, anti-hindi” political agenda to keep wasting their youth and energy till the end of this world.
Jerry, The problems that you face are universal problems are there are many bloggers in various cities talking about these problems of inflation, traffic etc. I agree to your and Sanjukta’s point that the anti-Northi/ anti-hindi that one gets to see in southern India is typical to this part of the country.
There are people who are arguing just for the sake of winning this argument and according to them Hindi speakers are bastards and English speaking people are more educated etc. Well they have themselves spoken enough for their poor intelligence level, maturity as a human, half educated, prejudiced, extremely insecured and also of being stupid to the core.
This language argument is a never ending one, I really dont see any solution to this unless the politians stop cashing on it and focus on more grass root issues and concentrate their unspent energy on unifying India.
Some one is continously suggesting people to Google. I wonder if he works for Google and if Google is paying him for promoting the site.
Anyway, jokes apart, I feel Mutiny has become a public shitting ground and the management of Mutiny should rather take care of such regionalism based comments rather than encoraging them by publishing them here.
I also know that the moment I hit the “submit comment” button there would be 5 more comments coming from stupid people attacking me and all those people who are in favour unifying India. But like I said, it has become a public shitting ground so that is expected and all the more when the management encourages them.
Chintamani Kurse
039
3:46 pm
You are doing a noble thankless job of uniting India, much beyond anything of our human capabilities. First of all, by bringing into picture how undeveloped brains of people other than the Hindi-speaking belt are, you are indebting us beyond anything. Now I know how small I have been. By uniting the whole of India by telling anti-Hindi, anti- North India is without reason and an extremely arbitrary thing to do. Btw, a dig at South Indians curry patta, is the way to go. BTW, just a doubt, do you have MMS on your phone?
“Some one is continously suggesting people to Google. I wonder if he works for Google and if Google is paying him for promoting the site.”
Sarcasm is unbeatable, did you take classes for it?
We're all for Double Standards
040
3:46 pm
“I live in a very old local Kannada speaking colony in Ulsoor and I see how my 70 yr old landlady makes efforts to communicate with me with in whatever bit of Hindi and English she gathered from all the tv. Touches my heart to see her love and affection for me a ‘northie’.”
Sniff Sniff. So, yeah, lets get this right. Some Kazillion auto-drivers don’t speak your tongue and that gets your goat while a 71 year old’s broken hindi reduced you to tears.
And by that do you mean we are to cry tears of joy on hearing your “Kannada go-thi-llas” and still hear you out, with patient smiles, when we don’t know your language and you refuse to learn ours?
Considering someone’s come down to this place for whatever reasons, isn’t the onus on him to learn the language of the region than expect a million people to learn his?
Why is Kannadigas-are-intolerant the favorite conversation starter amongst non-Bangaloreans? For god’s sake, Bangalore’s got to be the place where people are the most insulated to local culture. And the only place where indifference to such a degree is even allowed. And we’re perfectly alright with people that don’t want to blend in. Just stop bloody complaining.
How many times have you been dragged out of your cubicle and beaten up?
Besides, if Bangaloreans were intolerant and inhospitable to outsiders, it would never have gained such a diverse populace(which by the way has existed far before the first North Indian software engineer even set foot here)
The post above voices concerns that trouble everyone in Karnataka. What’s to pass tissues and rue only about the plight of the emigre?
It’d ludicrous to ask all of South India to learn Hindi, because it is genuinely difficult for people that have not studied the language. And there is almost no place in South India, one may land up in, that you can’t manage with English at. Like someone said, most languages in the North are connected to hindi, making it a mere variant in most cases.
So yea, potholes? erratic politics?Traffic, prices etc etc? we suffer too. If you think its better over there at your place, please, The maximum we can help is by saying, the airport is that way and the railway station this. Here’s your ticket. Goodbye and goodluck.
PS- Sudarshan, Too much!!
Chintamani Kurse
041
3:48 pm
I stayed in Mumbai and I had a tamilian neighbour. She asked the milkman after three years in tamil,”I have been here for three years. Why dont you learn tamil?”
You remind me of her.
Balaji
042
4:08 pm
The whole IT industry was built by Tamilians and people from Andhra. Be thankful and recognize what has been done for you. If you did get of your lazy butts you would do something for the city.
By the way, the northies , enuff about Hindi. We have had enuff of madrasi and lungi and kadipatta to come to the end of our patience.
Chintamani Kurse
043
4:10 pm
Namely who?
snigdha
044
4:13 pm
I am thinking of starting a Language Institute for all the Indian languages. This way I can make a lot of money and everone will be able to speak all the Indian Languages. So when you are in Bangalore you can fight in Kanada, when you are in Bodo land, you can scream in Asamese, when you are in Himachal, you can foulmouth someone in pahadi, when in Kerela, you can use malyalam…wow..
I can call it “United Indian linguistic Institute” after that I Guess lot of our problems arising from hating each other will be solved. I guess, autowals will be more well behabved, infrastructure will be better. We wont be called outsiders in our own country but what about the politicians and the idiot brigade..oh..they will be out of business. But on 2nd thoughts, may be since they are so concerned about my language and your language, they will happily fund United Indian Liguistic Institute..great I have identified a VC also for my unique venture..
Abhik
045
4:19 pm
This regional divide is something I’ ve seen happening in many states across this country. Can’t we Indians be happy with each other? Whether it is an auto driver cheating you or a person refusing to speak in the language he has never learnt, formally or otherwise - why do we have to go back to thinking where the guy is from and what region he belongs to?
@Sanjukta - We cannot have a common uniform language in India, it’s too much to ask for. What we as human beings can attempt on doing is to try and understand each other - language as a protocol attempts to solve just that, need for human beings to communicate.
@Sudarshan, Balaji etc.. - Please grow up. Nothing in this country worth writing about was ever built by just one community. Even the great freedom struggle of India needed people from all communities and walks of life.
And for christ sakes stop blaming migrants for issues we face as a country.
We're all for Double Standards
046
4:20 pm
The author says:
“….But what did the state give us?….”
Does he mean to say that all that Karnataka is about is insolent auto drivers, bad policemen and rude people? Is that all this state is about? What is he insinuating?
And there are a bunch of people that support the author’s cause with “Sure mate, we all understand. Its just the southies that don’t get the point of your very erudite post” or to the effect….
Maybe, like Snigdha says, with a gaia-ic aura of benevolent understanding, it is the ed team’s fault. If someone does not have the facility to write stuff and makes grand statements, foot-placed-in-mouth; especially people that write with no sense of discretion or make generalisations far beyond their faculties, just send them a reject letter next time round, pleeeeease.
Will save us a few dungbombs.
Chintamani Kurse
047
4:20 pm
Or maybe we learn to accept there are more languages in India, and not say this is the national language of India(clue: this might have led to the kya aap paanchvi paas se tej hain inspiration, as we would know what’s a national language and what’s an official language then) We might just learn to be civilized, rather than opening a Unified Language Institute(please tell me where do you take sarcasm classes)
We're all for Double Standards
048
4:23 pm
@Snigdha
Wait, wait, here’s your Nobel Peace Prize(incidentally, it was to go to a certain George Bush this year, if it weren’t for the sudden change in plans) plus honorary membership to the Society For Stellar Sarcasm.
snigdha
049
4:31 pm
Thank you guys for the Nobel Prize, I can proudly display it on my desk when I open the United Indian Linguistic Institute. How many are joining the inistitute? I am sure the “you better learn my laguage or fuck off brigade” will happlily become the faculty. Since it would be social work that you guys will be doing I assume you will do this job for free and do it very well.
We're all for Double Standards
050
4:44 pm
No No No. Stop stop stop.
The sarcy is killing me.
Or maybe I should scoot from here. This place, bustling as it is with unmatched wits and peerless intellectuals.
Geniuses that say: The prices are high, the traffic is bad, and people are out to kill me, because I’m a north Indian.
Wise people that say ALL that one state has given them is a bunch of potholes for the “diversity” they bring to the city/state. Never mind the unfair load on local infrastructure; never mind creating needs for extra resources.
Intellectuals, who say stuff like “We need one language, so let it be ours. What? You don’t agree?” “Why you bigoted, intolerant, rude Southies!”
And this place overflowing with enterprising statesmen and stateswomen who aim to unleash instant change-the-world institutes, and counter reactions to unfair statements with sparkling attempts at sarcasm, which besides not striking resonance as good sarcasm should(a bigger sin than calling all southies intolerant jerks), are messages meant to say “I preached the good lord’s word, you agree not, and so I, righteous, will go ahead and spew sarcasm”
Run, says my inferior, albeit cautious southie sub-conscious. Fight, says my rude, rigid South Indianness….Whatodo???
Chintamani Kurse
051
4:50 pm
I am sure the “you better learn my laguage or fuck off brigade” will happlily become the faculty
You dont want me to learn HIndi then right? If that’s the case, what is the crib?
snigdha
052
5:18 pm
Who is cribbing? My am only concerned about a good faculty for my United Indian Liguistuc Insititute becuase as many have logically put that when in Rome be like Romans. So this is an atempt to be Romans you see.
So you in for the job?
We're all for Double Standards
053
5:24 pm
It’s ‘when In Rome, do as the Romans do’.
‘When in Rome, teach the Romans’, Not.
Arjun Singh, here comes competition.
Chintamani Kurse
054
5:51 pm
@We’re all for double standards:
Brilliant, I am sure it will go unappreciated as it wouldn’t be understood int he first place
sanjukta
055
5:54 pm
@whichever standard you are, double or triple or may be God ain’t keeping score of your supreme standards anymore
I didn’t get most part of your comments, you must be the exalted English speaking educated pure tounged southie, your English is beyond my comprehending abilities…but…
Considering someone’s come down to this place for whatever reasons, isn’t the onus on him to learn the language of the region than expect a million people to learn his?
Not sure if this was taught in your pure language schools, in our schools where we were taught the bastardadized version of Sanskrit…we were taught the culture of, “athithi devo bhava”. In case you don’t know what that bastardadized term means, it means “the guest is God”.
And when we say that we make sure we make our homes suitable to the guest, we make things comfortable for them even before they reach, at the news of a guest coming over we make the best arrangement to make their stay comfortable. We don’t tell them to make their own arrangement for their food and shelter. We don’t tell them “who the hell told you to come here get lost if you dont like it here” if they find if difficult to get around things. So NO Dear Double Standard, hell NO the onus is so NOT on us to get things right. Onus is on the city to make it easy.
In this part of the country, for some people, however, someone coming down to this place for whatever reason, a traveler, a tourist, a migrant, a relocated young professional is NOT a guest, he is an unwanted outsider, an invader, a half brained lowly class, a northie that doesnt talk in pure language, so we are told “be like us or get lost” at the drop of a hat.
Yes trying to Unify India is an attepmt failed to the core, what a revealation after 60 years of independence.
What do you do with such a statement in a country that is still united de fact, “if 45 million Spanish can have a country of their own, 60 million “Kannads” (and 250 million ‘Madrasis’) can manage very well without the freeriders clinging to our backs.
So what do we have next, after Boroland, gorkha land, demand of independent statehood to Karnataka? Freedom from the colonial clutches of North India Trading company?
“Freeriders clinging on our backs”??? That’s what we non Kannadas living in Bangalore are? Really, the mentality is that shallow, I can’t believe. But may be its better to accept the truth. It was a stupid idea to make it one nation to begin with. I am happy this debate happend, happy to see the ugliness.
sanjukta
056
5:58 pm
@Whatever standard you are,
I so know who you are, only one person can write this way…get rid of the psuedo, you could say the same nasty things being the real you if you want. That would be a brave thing to do btw
Sudarshan
057
6:00 pm
I am still waiting to know of the secret location the blog poster spawned out of.
Where autos carry you around for free,
Where there is no traffic,
Where there are no mobs to burn vehicles,
Where there is 100x savings with x/10 salary,
Where everybody speaks the language of the visitor.
I want to put an application to go there. Will the TDC’s Institute help me get there? This place is not located anywhere on Google Earth. Some help needed please.
Chintamani Kurse
058
6:00 pm
you heard of the baluchistan movement? Now I know how it started
Sudarshan
059
6:04 pm
That’s what we non Kannadas living in Bangalore are?
No thats what non Kannads living in the Bimaru belt are. The ones that can’t speak in English to save their lives. The ones that wear Chikan work jeans, and sport ex-Dhoni hairstyles.
It was a stupid idea to make it one nation to begin with. I am happy this debate happend, happy to see the ugliness.
Yeah. Now you can leave Bangalore in the knowledge that we are not worthy of your presence. Be sure to tell your friends.
Only Educated english speaking South Indians are anti Hindi. Auto drivers in South India are anti Hindi. Hence, Auto drivers in South India are Educated and English speaking.
sanjukta
060
6:04 pm
@Sudarshan,
The secret location from where Jerry comes is Kerela. Does it make a difference to your anti-national, xenophobia now?
Sudarshan
061
6:07 pm
“the guest is God”. Surprisingly, the guest here is always North Indian, and he visits South India with a sense of entitlement. Switch places, and the adage no longer holds. If the guest is South Indian, and if he settles in Delhi, he is a “Madrasi” and hence, a second class citizen. Probably because his passport has the stamp of a different country.
No wait. That’s not it…
Sudarshan
062
6:09 pm
Surprising that Kerala is such a paradise. If it was so awesome, why does he bother leaving heaven to dwell among us mortals? If it was so awesome, why are all the taxi drivers in the Middle East mallus? Is it really that awesome? Which part of Kerala, exactly? I’ll look it up on Google Earth. I so want to go there right now!
Sudarshan
063
6:11 pm
@ All
According to the poster,
In Kerala,
Autos carry you around for free,
There is no traffic,
There are no mobs to burn vehicles,
Theres 100x savings with x/10 salary,
Everybody speaks the language of the visitor.
Lets all head down there, people!
Chintamani Kurse
064
6:20 pm
Just a correction, “Atithi devo bhava” is sanskrit.
Sudarshan
065
6:26 pm
Kerala. God’s own country. Where autos are manned by altruists whose only motto in life is to serve you. Where petrol is cheaper than water. Where traffic is not a mess. Where there are no strikes, and no angry demonstrations on the street. Where you save 100 times more than techies when you get only half the 5000 salary they get. Where the police speak to you only in YOUR native language, be it Azerbaijani, Maori, Spanish, or Zulu. Is there no pleasing man? Put him in paradise, and all he wants to do is drive taxis in the gyelf desert, or risk execution in the hell that is Bengaluru.
Or is it a case of selective amnesia on the part of the guy who posted the blog. Probably after a few dozen pegs too many?
Sudarshan
066
6:34 pm
@ Snigdha aka constantmotion.wordpress.com
Anyway, jokes apart, I feel Mutiny has become a public shitting ground and the management of Mutiny should rather take care of such regionalism based comments rather than encoraging them by publishing them here.
Yes. I suppose Mutiny was meant to be a public shitting ground where *only* posts against the place you stay in are allowed. The only type of shitting allowed here is one where you can claim India is one, with one currency, and one language. Probably the rulebook states that shitting is prohibited while facing east. Face west and you can shit all you want.
Clarifications would be welcome.
And why is there a subtext of poo here? Constant motion. Shitting ground. Get a room, please.
Chintamani Kurse
067
6:40 pm
Now I understand why the savings are 10 times. You must have something to spend on.
chacko
068
7:52 pm
@Jerry, at what point did this conversation stop being about “sex”?
We're all for Double Standards
069
11:07 pm
@Sanjukta
Wow, brilliant turn of phase. Read maadi(this much kannada i’m sure you’ve picked up, in spite of the rigors) I said double. You can keep triple,multi all yours. Besides, my very name was coined in the support of your ilk, love.
About my anonymity, darling, I have submitted my email id while commenting. If you are so intrigued by my anonymity, please, mail the eds and they’ll give it to you. We can then have passionate convos about my cryptic comments, over EMAIL! baby!.
All this antagonism is spurred more by hysterical outsiders who choose very conveniently to ignore the larger people of Karnataka who have let them live relatively comfortable lives, and choose to the inflate one-off bad experiences they’ve had.
You know what the best thing is? As true as “Athithi Devo Bhav” is, true also is “Guests, like fish, stink after 3 days”. If you are leaving in 3 days, please, be our guest.
Do you guys see how juvenile this conversation is getting? Guests? Effing guests? We need an age column here in the comment submission form. I have seen people in school debates make smarter points, however rhetorical and dramatic.
The roads you ply on? We were taxed for it. The instis you study in? They were built by and for people of the state. So basically, any outsiders, no matter what, are gorging on resources and infrastructure that was not exactly meant for them in the first place.That way, this convo renews my respect for the city and the state which has taken this humongous onslaught of people that eat into its resources after all of which it has managed rather well.
Please don’t put the “we bring you revenue and investment” shit. Outsiders in any city, anywhere in the world cater only to the excesses and they don’t do it for nothing. They NEED the jobs more than the jobs need them. Plus, the city always suffers when there is a rapid influx of people.
By all this I mean just to say that when people come in large numbers to a state, it suffers to a certain degree. The best people can do, is to not crib or mudsling states and its people for not being “accommodating enough” because the emigrants must understand that THEY are constraints, no matter what.
I would expect sensible minds to understand that this is not a Northies-go-home comment. If you still can’t read other people’s comments as well as your paranoia, so be it.
sanjukta
070
12:56 am
@No standard
whoa such frustration
Fun to watch you xenophobics fret and frown in frustration coz hey that’s all you are left with after the OUTSIDERS have taken all your jobs…
The roads you ply on? We were taxed for it. The instis you study in? They were built by and for people of the state
Wow that is like the most intelligent argument I have ever heard…Einstein.. I can’t stop laughing, so its “my tax your tax” now… lol
ok so let me confirm this, so your new found wisdom is - tax collected in one state is spent in and only in that state in toto, not a penny less not a penny more… and of course ppl who don’t talk local language are not taxed…right? Er you ever heard of something called a Centre or Union? Something like central taxes? Lemme see, Income tax?
You know what, it’s ok…you don’t have to answer that.
My job here is done. Just to reiterate,
“Your state is now on the map, not because its the Garden City, its because of young people like us. We put Techville a.k.a Bangalore a.k.a Bengaluru on the map”
sanjukta
071
1:03 am
@No standard
We were taxed for it. lol again. The concept of financial year also seems to be all messed up. We ‘were’ taxed. Govt ain’t taking road tax anymore? And they don’t take road tax from non Kannadigas…
But hey that’s the argument…Funny but still…I’ll give it to you. lol
Seema
072
1:33 am
Oh no! I missed all the fun here. Poor Jerry, all he wanted was a better place to live. Is that too much to ask for? Its every citizen’s wish, irrespective of regional states.
@sanjukta : Don’t agree to language problems in south india at all. Everybody knows Hindi and English. They just pretend they don’t know because people make fun of their Accent.. Its a known fact!.
“don’t get it why can’t the locals take criticism? You would only get better if you’d accept the problems you know” and By the way why do you have to criticise locals when Jerry had a universal problem, I am sure if he was living anywhere else than Bangalore he would have the same thing to say.
@sudarshan: Why so much hatred against malluland.. They didn’t steal your Cauvery water. If you want every northindian to get out of your state then you might as well ask them get out of India as well.. Historically Indus land belonged to dravidians isn’t it? Also to Tell you the truth Auto drivers in Kerala are way better than anywhere else in the country. Although totally agree to your comments that people from outside the state has to blend in. But buddy.. Mandarin would be too difficult to learn and write so lets drop that idea of making a unified language
I would say if you are working and living in one state there is nothing wrong in picking up thats state’s language rather than making a huge issue that people don’t speak in Hindi or English. Its only a language not rocket science. you are only adding your knowledge. Same applies for everyone who is Anti-Hindi too.. All Southies please learn Hindi, Atleast you would know what to say when northies call you “Madrasi”
@ujj: you are so right!
@Nikhil Narayanan : you have made the most sensible comments. Thanks and Kudos.
@Balaji: So what if people make fun of madrasi, lungi etc. Don’t south indians make fun of northies, biharis and poor Santas and Bantas. Come on its all part of the game.
My comments is not intended to hurt anyone’s regional feelings. Apologies if it gives that impression. I am only a True-Blue INDIAN
We're all for Double Standards
073
2:26 am
Oooh Dahlings, I entertain you don’t I? Your amusement is the equivalent of farting loudly and laughing hard at yourselves.
You see, Road tax is at a high in Karnataka. We “WERE” taxed for it because the poor roads that now take the burden of people of all linguistic backgrounds *weren’t built the year INFY and WIPRO decided to recruit loads of people*(say 2000). Some were built long, long ago. We paid tolls for bridges and roads. Their lives were veritably shortened because of the increased pressure on the infrastructure. We built ‘em ‘then’, we paid up ‘then’, everybody uses ‘now’. It stands ruined. We, them, Everybody gets bumpy rides. heh.
Someone also forgot the taxes imposed by a state, most of which differ all over India. Also, such disasters we read in the papers:
http://www.thehindu.com/2007/11/07/stories/2007110756491000.htm
and before you jump and fart some more, not all emigrants buy vehicles or transfer vehicles to the state (and then pay road tax, as is the procedure). A lot of them rely(I could have said ‘exert pressure on’) on public transport systems provided by the state, which also don’t readily have the resources to cater to large numbers.
(Again, Again, Again, I have said repeatedly that we don’t mind non-bangaloreans. It’s just their snark we can’t take. The above statements were meant to stress that *rapid entry of non-locals* is ALWAYS a bit of a constraint in any scenario. Which should be understood, and sympathised with, instead of making demands for special treatment in trying cases where everybody suffers similar fate)
You know, its funny. I’ve known so many north Indians before and always wondered why this language debate happens. I’ve never heard such statements being made before. Most of the non-bangaloreans I know are warm humble people that don’t expect royal treatment here or ask us to speak in Hindi, or call us curry-patta eaters. Maybe, I’ve been in reall good company. Thank you, lord for a visitation from the OTHER KIND.
Sudarshan
074
12:42 pm
@ Seema
Hatred against malluland? I don’t see any hatred against Kerala in whatever I have written. If Kerala is as wonderful as Jerry claims it is, I’d love to go there. I LOVE the Kerala Jerry is nostalgic about. Now if only Jerry could supply the coordinates of his hometown, and a guarantee that the post is true to the best of his knowledge. Low auto fares, cheap petrol, no traffic, humongous savings on close to zero salary, no violence, shiny happy people aided by Babel to speak in a million tongues. Who wouldn’t like to migrate there? I certainly have no issues in settling there. I’ve learnt the local language in all the places I’ve settled in. It would be wonderful if I did not have to go through the learning experience all over again on settling in Kerala. If Kerala is so much better than a place like Bangalore, I really wonder what motivates Mallus to go drive taxis in the Gyelf, or risk life and limb in Bangalore. Its not the locals, their culture, low cost of living, the weather, OR the most important factor, money. So what motivates them to flee Kerala? Any ideas?
Also, why should Southies learn Hindi when they are in their homeland? They DO learn hindi when they migrate to the badlands up north. You don’t see many blogposts cribbing about how bad Lucknow is, when compared to Tamil Nadu or Karnataka (except to refute asswads with vacuum where the brains should have been), but you do see these whiny weepy guests stinking loudly after overstaying their welcome, thanks to their sense of entitlement. You don’t hear too much about how Delhi guys play Punjabi songs in discos and dance like they are trying to put on a banian that is 20 cm too small (feeling so kewl doing that too). Or how you can see cows grazing in the glazed eyes of the bhaiyya waiter taking your order for fried rice and getting you an omlette instead. Thats because madrasis (in general) know of the existence of other languages in distant lands. They expect all this and make adjustments to survive, unlike the TDCs that come down here and believe their spoilt brat behavior will get them candy wherever they go. Jerry here seems to be an exception. Or it may just be all that alcohol inside him that’s talking, and he is a bit saner when sober.
By the way, I really wonder where he is. After posting this in an inebriated state, our man must have crawled back to his hole for a well earned rest. :-\
@ Sanyukta
I don’t get it why can’t the outsiders take criticism? You would only get better if you’d accept the problems you know.
Naveen
075
8:49 pm
B’lore has always been a cosmopolitan city with it being at the junction of three states and close to Kerala. The Kannada population (those who have it as their mother tongue) was never more than 50% but non-Kannadigas who have settled here and their children who grew up here are as much Kannadigas in my opinion because they were totally assimilated, speaking their mother tongue at home, while using Kannada in public places if need be. And some of the most-admired Kannada literateurs and poets have been non-Kannadigas, who have had millions of Kannadiga patrons.. The point that the “outsiders” of today don’t understand is that they didn’t bring cosmopolitanism to B’lore. It was always existed, with a strong Kannada core. B’lore had a population of 4 million before the IT boom and it was a cosmopolitan Kannadiga city. The IT boom, inspite of bringing a lot of positivity in terms of world class talent and economic development, also altered this defintion of cosmopolitanism (newly defined by the neo-Bangaloreans), making it synonymous with disdainment of anything local and superiority of anything English/Hindi. The IT/BT industry captains didn’t make it easier, blaming everyone but themselves for all the ills plaguing B’lore, especially on the traffic front.
There’s a small sliver which can today afford to have decent housing and living in B’lore. The rest feel shafted, especially if they didn’t have their own roofs already and blame the “outsiders” because they throw money at everything without realizing its value. They started the trend of paying autos whatever the drivers demanded and the locals too got affected in the process. Some locals may try to cheat you by not speaking in a language you understand but thats the case in any big, bad city!! Do you think I won’t get cheated in New Delhi railway station if I’m preceived to be non-Hindi speaking or from outside Delhi? Why single out Bangalore in this case and simply brush all locals with a single brush that they live off outsiders and cheat them? Its just a bargaining tool because they are in a position of strength.
The first step towards better integration of Non-South Indian “outsiders” is to understand that Hindi is not “the” national language. It is one of 18 such designated languages. Just because Mumbai or Kolkata have Hindi as the lingua-franca inspite of strong regional identities, why expect Bangalore to follow the same path? I’ll learn Hindi if I feel the need for it. Similarly, many non-Kannadigas don’t feel the need to pick up even a smattering of the language after staying here for years (and ” maadi” doesn’t count). I have no objections. But don’t blame the locals who know the language (and this includes 70% of the population who have settled down here for ages) to welcome you with open arms if you haven’t even tried to meet them half-way.
Seema
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2:19 am
@sudarshan; you have a lots of WHYs and WHATs. All I wanted to say was that last time I checked, India was still a democratic country and people can go and live anywhere in the country, so why these qualms about learning or not learning languages. Every person has to suit their convenience. I guess the post was about expectations of normal person living in Bangalore. Is that so wrong? You want to tell me that you don’t experience all the traffic chaos and you are not clobbered by auto drivers, and you don’t expect things to change for good. If that is the case then this debate shouldn’t have started because you totally misconstrued the essence of this post. Every city has their pros and cons and if you stick to your theory that your city is the best then it is so unreal. Patriotism has to be towards the country as a whole and not towards your region. Who is stopping you to raise your voice against problems you face in Northern parts. If you have problems about influx of people to your state too bad, accept it thats the way its going to be.
Check the stats.. people from Kerala go outside and work because they lack resources and space. Its one of the densely populated state, maybe Govt of Kerala should take over Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
Personally I think all your BJP govt is going to do is put a few more temples!
Naveen
077
2:57 am
@Seema,
Let me pose a few questions for the immigrants within India to ponder. Applies not only to B’lore but to all major cities.
Accepted that people have a fundamental right to freely move around in India (except where Art. 370 has been invoked). At the same time, don’t expect locals settled in the area to unilaterally accept the burden of cosmopolitanism and patriotism, defined and thrust upon them by the immigrants. Am I being less patriotic because I refuse to speak to a fellow Bangalorean in Hindi? Why shouldn’t I question the immigrant that he’s being unpatriotic by being disrespectful to one of the national languages of India by not bothering to learn it after staying here for years. Can only the locals be chauvinist and not the immigrant? Why do you want to consider India as a single non-diverse unit instead of a federation of regions with their unique cultures as envisaged by our founding fathers? Why do you think we’ve multiple official and national languages and a Council of States in the Parliament?
And what saddens me is that without questioning the misgovernance in their native states which has led immigrants to uproot themselves to other better governed states, we keep on hearing that the locals must only give, give and give to make the immigrants feel safer and happier. Has anyone here questioned why he/she has immigrated to B’lore in the first place leaving behind families and uprooting themselves and their roots? What’s preventing these places from becoming the next B’lore or Chennai or Hyderabad? Why do poor families from Bengal or Jharkhand have to travel 2000 kms for hospital treatment in B’lore or Chennai? Have you guys given up on your own states? How many immigrants in B’lore today have their voter IDs even after staying here for 5 or more years? How many even vote their corporators to BBMP or MLAs/MPs? All I hear is incessant cribbing on the blogosphere and mainstream media about the place that is sustaining them and their families.
Seema
078
3:19 am
@Naveen; Immigrants?? when did I become an immigrant in my own country? People raise questions about the bad governance in the city they live in. After all they are also voting for the government in power..They have every right to question the government and their plans for infrastructure. If you go and live in kerala or Kolkatta, you would also question the daily strikes and other problems encountered. People would go anywhere where their jobs take. If you get a job relocation outside Bangalore would you not go? or you would stay attached to your so called “roots” If you don’t like to hear cribbing in media and blogs then please don’t read. Nobody is putting a gun to your head.. Be proud of your lanaguage and culture to a certain extent, after a limit it becomes arrogance. Communication is the key and if people keep on saying that they would not learn and understand other languages, then I guess its just another divide and rule waiting to happen. Also why do you want other cities to become another B’lore? Is it a dream model city?
Sanjukta
079
4:24 am
@Naveen
Your questions posed to immigrant within India are plain stupid and presumptuous. Let me give you the bad news at the outset, No body here needs a ‘reason’ to relocate from one city to another. We do it because its our damn wish to do so and none, absolutely none, but the state authority or officers of the Courts has the right or power to question that.
A lot of what you are claiming are nothing but ghosts of your imagination… Such baseless assumptions, don’t anybody use facts and figures anymore.
People migrate to other states ONLY because - “misgovernance in their native states which has led immigrants to uproot themselves to other better governed states”
Just what do you mean? What is this “Uprooted from own land” drama all about. No body is uprooted from no land here. We don’ t anymore live the life of nomads where we move to places in search of greener pastures. We don’t have such sad and traumatic lives as you make it sound. We relocate to different cities Chumma because we thought, “hey why not”.
You make it sound like the influx of people in Bangalore are all asylum seekers. How stupid is that.
And are you telling me there is no immigrants from Delhi or Mumbai to Blore, so are you suggesting, Bangalore is infrastructurally better equipped than Delhi or Mumbai. Personally I think Bangalore is as good but some people would say Delhi and Mumbai fare above Bangalore, but hell, no sane person would say Bangalore is MORE equipped. So then why do you have Delhites or Mumbaites coming down here????
I don’t work for the IT industry but majority of the ‘northie enemy’ influx happened to Bangalore because of the IT industry.
Now let me give you some piece of info in case you didn’t know, When an IT Firm wants to set up its offices, the IT parks etc. it needs to get a permission from the State Government.
So Company X sets up the IT firm after obtaining Government’s permission, after that they ask their employees, “are you willing to relocate to Bangalore” and if the employee is not a xenophobic he’d go, “yeah why not, sounds interesting”. Only when he comes down here that he realizes that the local Government happily gave all the permission to as many IT firms applied for it without first making proper arrangements for the infrastructure.
The oh so huge pressure on the tiny Local Government’s shoulder is NOT the immigrant’s problem. This monster is created by the Government of Karnataka itself. They should have thought twice before allowing Bangalore to become the Silicon Valley of India. They should have rather said look, “we are a poor and weak city, we have weak infrastructure so please don’t bring your large firms here. We won’t be able to handle the pressure.”
Since they portrayed they can handle it, they should just live upto the expectation, instead of blaming us for coming here for no reason and adding to their troubles. The techies came here because they were welcomed by the State Government to begin with. And now the local people are telling us we are not welcomed. “Get lost you immigrant”, is what we always here. The politicians on the other hand are happy they once again succeeded in dividing the north and south. Next, we’d have some Thackeray sort of guy here in Bangalore who would beat up a few northies to prior to the elections.
About the labour class, the daily wagers, the domestic workers who come here…from the “less governed state” indeed looking for greener pastures, well they are not the ones who are complaining. As the title of the post goes, its Views by a ‘Techie.’
So the much crib and criticism @ Bangalore’s poor traffic that you read about in the blogshpere is NOT by people who were less fortunate in their ‘own’ cities. Its by people who came here thinking there’s no harm in relocating if your employer insists, and are now of the opinion that “Bangalore needs help, it needs a face lift” So they talk about it. Let me also tell you we only criticize because we think its our own city too. Trust me a lot of us wouldn’t criticize if we had to travel or work in one of the countries less developed than India. We complaint because we care. Sympathy would only take you so far…sob-sob-hug-hug, apathy would make things worse, its only criticism which might just help the city in making some progress.
Till the time things improve some of us would continue to criticize.
And before asking the ‘outsiders’ about what we are doing for the city, ask yourselves how much have you done for your ‘own’ city.
How many immigrants in B’lore today have their voter IDs even after staying here for 5 or more years?
And how many bangalorean’s have them? How many of the youth have it anyway?
“And what saddens me is that without questioning the misgovernance in their native states which has led immigrants to uproot themselves…”
Wow..I am all in tears seeing you in such sadness but what exactly makes you think we don’t question the misgoverneing of our native states? Are you telling me you have never read a blog post where a localites is cribbing about his own city? and are you suggesting NOT one kannadiga cribs about Bangalore’s traffic? Do only non kannadiga’s crib. Let me ask you, which city do you live and how do you commute within the city? First speak for yourself before championing your kannada patriotism.
Since I have been taking this debate too far, people might be intersted to know where do I come from and why. My grand parents are from Bangladesh, Dad was born in Bangladesh, grew up in North Bengal, worked in Kolkata, moved to Delhi. Mom was born and brought up in Kolkata. My maternal grandparents were also from Kolkata but their roots were in Bangladesh. I was born in North bengal braught up in Delhi where I stayed till last year when I moved to Bangalore. Now I am a little confused which one is my “less governed native land” from where I am uprooted and am here in Bangalore to “sustain myself and my family.”
I am NOT a techie. My company has an open offer given to me to relocate back to Delhi but I chose to stay in Bangalore because I like it here, mainly because of the great weather, which btw is not a contribution from the Localites and it stays the same for both locals and non locals. I am settled in blore but that doesn’t mean I am going to learn the local language or call the local food my fav. I can live here and still not belong to here, same way as I lived in all the other places but never belonged to them.
Most people who easily relocate are of that nature. They belong to everywhere yet to no where. But some people want to keep everything within their own little shallow boundaries. For them this debate would never end.
Naveen
080
10:50 am
@Seema and Sanjukta,
Thank you for your arguments. And I agree that I was wrong to use the word ‘immigrants’ - didn’t mean it as derogatory. If it came across as that, I apologize. I’ve tried my best to not mock commenters and expect the same from others.
Btw, I stay in Gurgaon and speak fluent Hindi and have tried belonging to this place. Have been educated outside Bengaluru from college onwards. Its been my 8th year outside Bengaluru. I travel by the cycle rickshaws everyday to office and back and I would obviously need to know Hindi to interact with the rickshaw driver, my helper/cook, shopkeeper and so on, and to join in conversations in office. Didn’t need to use Hindi but have done that to make my life and those around me simpler. So yes, I’ve blended in without being xenophobic. But when I turn around and ask the question to an “outsider” in Bengaluru about the same thing, all I hear is: “Why learn Kannada”, “I can manage without Kannada”, “People here don’t/won’t speak Hindi even though its our national language”. This was never the case earlier when the PSU culture was dominant - people from all over the country came and settled here and picked up the language. But today, people who have settled for years can’t/won’t learn the language. Its their prerogative and I’m not bothered that them learning it will enrich the language. But then they shouldn’t turn around and question the locals why they are still considered outsiders.
Yes, lots of educated people today are highly mobile and have jet setting careers, including myself. But tomorrow if I work in Kolkata, I would learn Bengali even though I know that I can manage with Hindi. Because I’m part of that community and I consider learning the local language even a bit is a key takeaway from that place. I may never settle down in Kolkata or Chennai or Hyderabad but would consider it my luck to have been given that opportunity to learn and understand local cultures through the languages.
Coming to the “roots” part, there is a lot of influx from states that haven’t had the opportunity to develop themselves for various reasons. Education and/or employment is what the newcomers seek here. And it is Bengaluru’s major attraction. Not everyone who comes to B’luru is from Delhi/Mumbai. It may not be distress migration but is migration because of no other career options. Given the same opportunities in their own states, would they not want to go back? I would say, yes, they would because of their “roots” (familial/economic/cultural etc).
Coming to the cribbing part, yes, all I hear is cribbing about the infrastructure and the thuggery of the locals and the misgovernance here. There’s no finger pointing towards themselves - whats their contribution towards the mess. Planning and developing infrastructure has not been India’s forte and Bengaluru is not a special case of the opposite. There’s a big difference between constructive criticism and cribbing. The first time, as a local I’ll empathize because I may be facing the same issue, the second time, I’ll grin, the third time onwards - won’t bother or even argue back (as has happened in this and several other threads of Mutiny) because I know its not constructive.
Demand public transport, ask for common language boards on buses, don’t ask for road widening because we know our trees are going to get cut and more private vehicles will occupy the space - this is constructive. Get voter IDs and take part in local resident associations, learn a bit of the language to be able to string 2 sentences together with the local shopkeeper - then we care about the city and sympathize with its problems and be a part of the solutions.
Naveen
081
12:31 pm
@Sudarshan,
Pls don’t get personal!! Your arguments will be lost and only the abusive language will be picked up and you’ll be replied back in the same coin. Request you to apologize to Sanjukta and then post your arguments without getting personal. Take this as a friendly advice from a fellow B’lurean.
We're all for Double Standards
082
1:10 pm
I don’t work for the IT industry but majority of the ‘northie enemy’ influx happened to Bangalore because of the IT industry.
Get your facts right. Bangalore has had central industries, and Defence Establishments for as long as 50 years now. These organisations brought in tonnes of people from all over the country. Cantonment, for the most part has many people from outside Karnataka. This, for almost 6 decades. Some regions still have people who have lived here for 20+ years and still don’t know a word of Kannada. Nobody had a problem with that.
Nobody complained about “outsiders” until the mid ’90s when the IT-triggered influx happened. We wonder why that is.
Real drama is crying foul when outsiders are called immigrants. Yes, if you relocate from one place to another, you migrate. Correct word usage. attaching emotional quantity to a stupid word is very frivolous.
@Naveen,
well said Mate. Sounds moderate and sensible. There’s little chance people here are going to buy it. The People here only want royal treatment, because they chose to live here, and attempt to label all south indians as insolent, crude bigots.
Sudarshan
083
1:28 pm
I misspelled the royal name of Her Highness. Or correctly spelt the royally misspelt name of Her Highness (whatever). So I guess that makes me a moron now. That’s regrettable. I guess now I’ll have to throw my Mensa certificate into the dustbin. And burn the two degrees I obtained from two of the elite educational institutes (One in North India, One in South) which admit people of my caste only on the basis of merit. Maybe I should quit my job and join a dance troupe or a freak circus to travel around the country. That way, I shall gain “perspective” and be in a much better position to sense the pulse of India. I can become more tolerant of blue blood spawned from the banks of the Ganges that way, and get rid of the attitude I have developed as an educated english speaking boor who drives autos in Bengaluru, looking to fleece poor unsuspecting immigrants (when they are thinking fondly about home) for whom learning the local language is harder than passing a blood test.
Vinayak
084
1:50 pm
@Seema @Naveen @Sanjukta
Well written all of you, good arguments given. This is what I expect in a good debate. @Naveen - good arguments , you make your point. @Seema , @Sanjukta - you make a strong point too.
Personally I think this character called Sudarshan has been put here to increase page hits to this post by writing offensive and abusive crap and is a creation of the mutiny.in organization itself or of someone who wants to increase page hits here.
This kind of a stunt has worked before and I feel that this is some kind of a cheap publicity gimmick by mutiny itself.
I am sorry if I am wrong, but seeing this trend in many of mutiny’s discussions I draw this conclusion. Or as @Snigdha puts it, mutiny has now become a public shitting ground.
Sudarshan
085
2:07 pm
Oh my cover is blown. Maybe I’ll start shitting facing the other direction like the ones who are so right. “Bangalore is bad. Kannadigas are bandits. Kannada is bad. Hindi is so awesome. Lets all speak in Hindi. Or English, every one of us, autodrivers included. We could all live so happily in Bengaluru, if only the locals here decide to bow down to our every wish. We don’t take kindly to criticism directed upon us. If anybody wants to shit, he has to shit on the locals when in South, and on the madrasis when in North. Pointing out that our butts are unclean ought to be against the law.”
Personally I think this character called Sudarshan has been put here to increase page hits to this post by writing offensive and abusive crap and is a creation of the mutiny.in organization itself or of someone who wants to increase page hits here.
Personally, nobody gives a rats ass to your opinion. Personally, I think you are a fake version of Her Highness who has five mouths to talk, but no ears to hear, and no brains to process the information.
I am still looking for reasons NOT to migrate to Jerry’s Kerala. If Jerry could only come online and shit a bit more, it would be much appreciated. Jerry, still in your hole, eh?
snigdha
086
4:05 pm
@sudarshan
looks like you have lost it completely. any, keep it up…good job there
Sudarshan
087
4:15 pm
Thanks, constant motion. Do give me the address of your institute when it starts up. Shit, in any other language, would still smell like Sanjukta’s posts. Probably she’d understand it if translated to monkeytongue.
sanjukta
088
4:53 pm
@Naveen
I agree with your point about constructive criticism. Just that its not true that we have singled out only Bangalore and crib about it… Go around the blogsphere 70% of the blogs are crib anyway….every city every country all the armchair thinkers they call crib, that’s all they do… it’s not that big a crime after all…but anyway.
Sudarshan
089
5:08 pm
Wheres the intellectual techie that put this blog?
A. Beaten up by the local Auto Army
B. Stuck in traffic
C. Trying to earn/save more
D. Burnt by a mob
E. Still groggy after getting so drunk a few days ago
F. Back in the paradise he spawned from, far from evil Bengaluru
chacko
090
5:37 pm
@Sudarshan,
You mean the guy who put up the post or the blog? They guy put up the blog pretty much feels at home where ever he is.
Naveen
091
5:43 pm
@Sanjukta,
Cribbing is the birth right of every Indian, no doubt. But when it comes to the insider/outsider debate in Bengaluru or Mumbai (as these are the standout examples), do appreciate that the definition, tone and tenor of the debate has been set by migrants to those cities from non-Maharashtra or non-Karnataka backgrounds. The migrants (and I don’t mean it as derogatory) have defined what is the common language, who is chauvinistic, what is patriotism and what is assimilation. The locals have been doing catch-up in this lop-sided debate. In Mumbai, for 3 decades and in Bangalore, for a decade and a half.
If I refuse to talk in Hindi in B’luru, am I being chauvinistic? Is the migrant being any less chauvinistic when he/she has a disrespectful, or at best a “don’t care” attitude towards a language which isn’t spoken by more than 4% of the country but has been deemed to be important enough to be declared a national language. Who is being less patriotic here? Unfortunately, unless the terms of this debate are altered to create a level playing field for the local and the migrant, we would keep hearing the same points raised again and again. And it has turned violent in cases where it has been politicized, thereby making the debate even more lop-sided against the local.
Sudarshan
092
5:47 pm
Ah, I meant the guy who wrote article on how shitty Bengaluru is when compared to his hometown (top of this page)
Sudarshan
093
6:13 pm
@ Naveen
What makes matters worse is this demonization of the local as somebody out to loot the poor unsuspecting migrant. We’ve seen this in the tone adopted by the media when it comes to reporting about MNS in Maharashtra, or KRV in Karnataka. The biased reporting makes the migrant feel even more entitled to royal treatment. The derision in the tone of articles talking about the locals in any local-outsider debate just fuels the fire further. Anyone remember the articles portraying the opposition to Laloo’s ways to get biharis in railway posts in North Karnataka? The impression created was that the guys opposing the decision are intolerant bigots and what not. Further lack of understanding could create situations like the ones we see in Assam. Speak Hindi, get blown up. And then the media becomes even more lopsided. The media believes it is liberal, patriotic and secular, and almost always tries to tell the reader what the accepted opinion in any topic ought to be. The media, instead of facilitating a free transfer of ideas, tries to force its opinion on everybody who is listening. So what are dissenting voices supposed to do?
A few questions the media bulldozes through.
1. Why should Indianness be measured by the fluency of Hindi spoken?
2. Why should the local always give up his seat for the migrant? What makes the migrant oh-so-special that he can tell the locals how things should be?
3. Who gave the migrant the right to assume that he can talk about the locals and their culture with derision, and expect respect in return?
4. Why should the concept of unity overshadow the concept of diversity? When the US can have seperate laws for each state, why are we touchy about the existence of other languages?
Thanks to the biased voices in the media, migrants end up firmly believing whatever they say is the only truth, and that locals should bend over and love the migrants for that. All this is fine, until theres some violence like in Assam. Then the local is most definitely the demon in the eyes of the ‘intelligensia’. Oh then he needs to be tamed by the center. Or else India will fall apart!!! Bah!
PS: Not just in the field of language. Election after election, the media tries to convey that a vote for BJP will be a vote against secularism, for “hindu terrorism” and what not. The voters stopped listening to them, long ago. The look on the faces of Barkha Dutt and the smug fks in NDTV and CNNIBN when the gujarat results rolled out was one worth dying for.
Naveen
094
6:39 pm
@ Sudarshan,
Yes, I agree with everything you say. And you’ve summed up the issues beautifully. All these language debates that we can keep on seeing and commenting can be reduced to your one comment.
But who’s going to shift the foundation of this debate towards a level playing field? I don’t think the politicians have enough incentives to do so when they know that the migrant votes don’t count. Are we going to wait for violent protests and “quit bengaluru” movements before drastic action? I don’t know.
A simpler approach is to accept that we are diverse, linguistically and culturally, and being different from the other doesn’t imply inferiority. 50% of India doesn’t have Hindi or its variants as its mother tongue. The “one national language/culture” myth needs to be broken in the minds of educated people and the English media through constant bombarding of the message in educational institutions and media coverage. Difficult - yes, Impossible - no.
Sudarshan
095
7:21 pm
@ Naveen
>>The “one national language/culture” myth needs to be broken in the minds of educated people and the English media through constant bombarding of the message in educational institutions and media coverage.<<
This is happening atleast in the democratic virtual world. In Orkut, many a times, we have these literate-but-uneducated “Indians” gallivanting into the Bangalore community with complaints similar to the ones raised by Her Highness here. Each time, they are showered with links over links about how their mother tongue is not as special as their teacher in school taught it was. About how their idea of Hindia encompasses just the Bimaru belt, and leaves out the West, South and East of India. If they have some gray matter, they end up enriched by the knowledge that India is bigger than they assumed it was when they boarded the flight down south. But more often than not, they go on tangents like Her Highness did (screaming about how important the J in her name is, and how replacing it with a Y knocks off 140 points from my IQ), assuming CNN IBN or New Delhi TV (English media is pretty much biased anyways) will come sauntering along with their biased opinions to defend their sorry butts.
However, the awareness generated in online fora has surely brought about awareness among young Kannadigas. And often this spills over to the real world. Five years ago, Kannadigas responded to Tamil, Telugu, English, Kannada and Hindi queries in the same language. Now, thanks to the TDCs and bhaiyyas, Hindi queries get Kannada replies. Our “Swalpa adjest maadi” attitude does not stretch to accommodate “Hindi mein bolo” anymore. Five years ago, orders in Kannada in Barista were neither seen nor encouraged. Both of those have changed now. Not many down south have outsourced their thought process to the media, so they can’t tell us what ought to be acceptable, and what ought not. That “India” = “Hindi”, or “Secular” = “Anti Hindu”
Naveen
096
7:46 pm
@ Sudarshan,
Who would’ve thought that the biggest Radio FM channels would play Kannada songs non-stop, even 3 years ago? Its been years since I stopped listening to Radio City (which use to condescend to play 3 hours of Kannada music every day) whenever I’m in B’luru. There was a recent report I read in ToI or DH (don’t remember which, read the online version) which says that the purchasing power of Kannadigas is larger than other communities and the marketing guys have recognized it. So more and more ads on TV and on hoardings are in Kannada. I make it a point to talk to customer service people in up-market shops and restaurants in Kannada. Nothing wrong in it even though they are surprised to hear it. In Forum and Garuda Mall, you had to strain your ears to listen to Kannada a few years ago. Now thats not the case. If more and more Kannadigas and people who can speak Kannada start doing it and refuse to listen to “English/Hindi mein bolo”, the sheer numbers would force the market to recognize the place that Kannada occupies in B’luru, the “cosmo” city.
Sudarshan
097
8:13 pm
My thoughts exactly. I speak in Kannada in any mall I go to, and so do most of my friends. If the person does not know Kannada, too bad. It’s his loss. If he wants my money, he better understand my language. This is a growing feeling of assertion we are witnessing in Bengaluru. Ties in well with the new aggressive Indian. Asking people to be aggressive when it comes to everything else (Industry - The bleh Indian invasion of europe, Cricket - the Aussie tour), but meek when it comes to watching arrogant guests wrecking your home is plain unrealistic, and the sooner the guests realize this simple fact, the better it is for them. (Evidence : “Ganchali bidu, Kannada Mathadu” and “Bengalooru’s full. Go Home” communities on orkut. Every kannadiga friend I have is a member of comms like these.) The sooner they realize they are dealing with equals here, not subjects, the easier it is for them to adjust to the foreign land they landed up in. Where nobody speaks Hindi OMGOMGOMG!
Tokyo manages being cosmo very well with Japanese. The arabs are cosmo and Arabic at the same time. Which idiot assumes that being cosmo means removing all traces of the local culture? Delhi guys landing up in the France don’t have the balls to demand to be spoken to in English or Hindi. Why should Karnataka be any different?
PS: Too bad Bangalore’s IPL team was bid for in a drunken state, and too bad the idiots making the ads for the team assumed Hindi is the lingua franca here. Maybe they will learn from the zero team loyalty this time and try to emulate Chennai or Kolkota the next time around.
Jerry
098
5:34 pm
@Sudarshan
you are just another prejudiced person with the perception all wrong. Let me tell you all those who are in those so called Orkut Groups are pricks. I see no difference in you and what the Thakare’s are doing to Mumbai. If i’m sure its the govt that dictates the rules that lead to a state’s development. So it was the govt of karnataka that had liberal and industry friendly norms that helped the so called IT industries to grow. They grew and they wanted a work force. If the so called friends of yours(including you) had spent enough time in learning that would have rather got you a job in any of the companies, we wouldnt have ever come to this place. Instead you become the fox that keeps cribbing, “the grapes are sour”, just because you cant reach it. The grapes are never to be blamed, Mr. Fox.
Which place do auto guys behave properly? Pay a visit to Trivandrum. They are polite and i bet they can speak 3 languages. Atleaset they can tell you that they can speak a language. Atleast 90% of them will state the reason for asking more. Pay a visit to Kozhikodu. They just take the meter charge even at night. Infact Cochin too has a fair number of decent auto drivers. But how would you know? You have never stepped out to see the rest of the places.
Tokyo manages being cosmo very well with Japanese. The arabs are cosmo and Arabic at the same time. Which idiot assumes that being cosmo means removing all traces of the local culture? Delhi guys landing up in the France don’t have the balls to demand to be spoken to in English or Hindi. Why should Karnataka be any different?
I dont ask Karnataka to be any different. But just asking the people to understand the fact that people who are new to this place needs a bit of help. Rather than judging them before you get to see the person.Is that too much to ask for? Play a good host and i bet all shall be good hosts. Learn a few things from Hyderabad. There is nothing wrong in learning from each other. But for that EGO has to move away.
If your people was too cared about their own culture and was proud of it, we wouldnt have seen movies of other languages getting banned here.
Yes i’m the intellectual techie. I care about the place that i’m in.
A. Beaten up by the local Auto Army - no, i reason with them.
B. Stuck in traffic - so is your brain
C. Trying to earn/save more - same like you
D. Burnt by a mob - with petrol costing more than beer, the mob wont do that.
E. Still groggy after getting so drunk a few days ago - yes, coz its damn cheap here. can u do something abt that?
F. Back in the paradise he spawned from, far from evil Bengaluru - no i still prefer it served like hell
“When in Rome, do as the Romans do!” Come lets burn a few buses. Build an airport that takes a day’s travel. Breed contempt into the minds of people against outsiders. Rome was obliterated in a day, lets do that here.
@chacko - sex what sex … i have no idea…
@Double Standards - dont plan to go to my home place and contribute it there. If i’m here i’ll add to the vox populi. The last time i checked the road tax that i paid was to the RTO of Karantaka. The tax that comes with local transport goes to state govt. The tax on salary goes to central govt. So we have all the rights to stay here and its not just u.
i was taught that the sovereign state of India is one. Where ever i’m, i’m still part of the crowd and i should be contributing to its progress. Sadly what i feel for Bengaluru is not felt by the brethren here.
Oops i forgot they are busy building another hate-non-kannadiga community … uhhh … kiddos ..
Chintamani Kurse
099
6:06 pm
@Jerry: Needless to say, brilliant!!!!!!! What clarity of thought!!!
Have you read this book? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_pure_reason
Chintamani Kurse
100
6:07 pm
And not a part of this intellectual debate, but Mr.Sudarshan Karanth is placed way above where you are, this is just a clarification for the ‘Grapes of sour’ comment. For you, it is not grapes are sour, he is at a level, where you can say, “You can’t see me, there are too many like me.”
Chintamani Kurse
101
6:09 pm
And of course, needless to say, brilliant post, reminded me of only one person and book which could beat you in debates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_pure_reason
Chintamani Kurse
102
6:11 pm
And needless to say, brilliant post. Do you read Immanuel Kant, “Critique of pure reason”. You might need it, and another one, “Animal Farm” by George Orwell. And these books are not in Kannad.
The Outsider
103
6:11 pm
Delhi guys landing up in the France don’t have the balls to demand to be spoken to in English or Hindi. Why should Karnataka be any different?
Its funny but , but when a Northie does this its not to put down the local but its more a case resulting from misinformation propagated by the education system in those states.
What is taught is that ‘Hindi is the National Language’ and everybody should speak Hindi and that Hindi should unite the country. Since I have studied in that part of the country I speak from experience. Article 350 of the Indian constitution is left out and almost nobody realizes ( as they have not been taught ) that its the right of every state to practice its own language and conduct affairs in it. Since in most South Indian states the language is a key political issue it is well understood and most likely taught that way in school.
So a Northie demands thats its because he believes ( since he has been taught this ) that Hindi NEEDS to be spoken all over India as it is our National Language. This is a crappy product of the centre driven education system.
If this information was imparted correctly this issue would not have happened.
Chintamani Kurse
104
6:18 pm
Some courses in high school that people might have forgotten. India is a federal republic. And what is a federal republic?
A federal republic is a federation of states with a republican form of government. A federation is the central government. The states in a federation also maintain all political sovereignty that they do not yield to the federation. Usage of the term republic is inconsistent but, as a minimum, it means a state or federation of states that does not have a monarch as head of state.
The difference from it being not a part of the same country is that you dont need visas to go from one place to another. That doesn’t mean, you cant move out of a place where you have come.
Sudarshan
105
6:27 pm
They grew and they wanted a work force. If the so called friends of yours(including you) had spent enough time in learning that would have rather got you a job in any of the companies, we wouldnt have ever come to this place. Instead you become the fox that keeps cribbing, “the grapes are sour”, just because you cant reach it. The grapes are never to be blamed, Mr. Fox.
This is the first time I’m hearing a “techie” talking about his coding job as something to aspire for. Seriously, is this the best job you are worth? Did your company recruit you when you tresspassed into their property? What did you do to get the job? Send your CV across? Jump a few hoops? Pronounce the alphabets in order? Tell the HR the correct answer to “How many fingers?”? Wear a shirt for the aforementioned interview?
You got your perception all screwed up. The grapes aren’t too high. They are too low, and I won’t bend down all the way when I can reach mangoes high above the ground.
All these “dream” companies wanted was monkeys on computers, and the more, the merrier. If you truly believe your job is something to aspire for, you are still as drunk as you were when you wrote this post. In my first job, I’m earning more in a month than you would in a year. So STFU about sour grapes, bottom-feeder.
Which place do auto guys behave properly? Pay a visit to Trivandrum. They are polite and i bet they can speak 3 languages. Atleaset they can tell you that they can speak a language. Atleast 90% of them will state the reason for asking more. Pay a visit to Kozhikodu. They just take the meter charge even at night. Infact Cochin too has a fair number of decent auto drivers.
Then go back if you love your auto guys so much. And how would I know about Cochin? Theres no reason for any sane person to migrate to Cochin. Unless it is the paradise you are hollering about in the blog. Is it? Just so you know, Auto drivers do talk Kannada, Tamil and English. The muslim auto drivers talk Urdu too. You need to travel around more often.
But how would you know? You have never stepped out to see the rest of the places.
Yeah. You have gone all over the world in that bus that picked you up from Cochin and dropped you in Bangalore. Bravo. Your parents must be proud of you.
I dont ask Karnataka to be any different. But just asking the people to understand the fact that people who are new to this place needs a bit of help.
What about people who stay in Bengaluru for 8 years and know one word in Kannada? “Gotilla”? Is it okay if we spit in their faces?
Rather than judging them before you get to see the person.Is that too much to ask for?
Yeah. Those auto drivers are so judgemental. After driving around a thousand TDCs who have nothing but contempt for the “Kannads” because they don’t speak Hindi or dance the Bhangra, how dare they assume the thousand-and-first TDC will be the same as the thousand that just went by? >_<
Play a good host and i bet all shall be good hosts.
We have been good hosts for the past fiftyfive years. Its just during the last five years that a new breed of guests have started to knock on our doors. The loud, ignorant, arrogant types. We are done playing good hosts to these ruffians.
There is nothing wrong in learning from each other. But for that EGO has to move away.
Five years ago, we used to welcome TDCs and bhaiyyas. Not any more. Thats because we have learnt from past experience. Who would keep the welcome mat clean for guests that show up with slush in their boots?
If your people was too cared about their own culture and was proud of it, we wouldnt have seen movies of other languages getting banned here.
English. Heard of it?
Yes i’m the intellectual techie.
Yay. Way to go! So the proudest moment of your life was when you copy pasted a code after googling for it. Cheerio!
“When in Rome, do as the Romans do!” Come lets burn a few buses. Build an airport that takes a day’s travel. Breed contempt into the minds of people against outsiders. Rome was obliterated in a day, lets do that here.
Rome was overrun by Barbarians. FYI.
i was taught that the sovereign state of India is one. Where ever i’m, i’m still part of the crowd and i should be contributing to its progress.
Were you sleeping when they taught you the “give respect, take respect” bit? The “unity in diversity” class? The “22 national languages” class? If you are part of the crowd, you wouldn’t have the auto problem. If you don’t respect the locals, you aren’t “part of the crowd”.
Sadly what i feel for Bengaluru is not felt by the brethren here.
Ya. Your hometown was much better. Go back. We will follow you.
Chintamani Kurse
106
6:31 pm
And kochi auto drivers knowing three languages? Malayalam, malyalam, and mallyalam. Malayalam spelt three ways.
Nikhil Narayanan
107
6:44 pm
@Chintamani Kurse
Correction:
India is quasi federal.
Autodrivers in Kochi actually know a bit of English and Hindi other than Malayalam. Its a fact. Accept it. Don’t fight for the heck of fighting.
And ya, I can speak good Kannada.
Nikhil Narayanan
108
6:46 pm
@Chintamani Kurse
A factual correction.
India is quasi-federal.
http://www.planningcommission.gov.in/reports/genrep/bkpap2020/4_bg2020.doc
Chintamani Kurse
109
6:51 pm
@Nikhil:
I stand corrected, now Kannadigas suck!!
We're all for Double Standards
110
6:52 pm
After this storm the author has kicked up, I expected to see a better “dude!!” comeback post from him. But this is sorely disappointing.
Really, someone that has been deemed a “mutineer” and has been thrust with the responsibility of representing a lot of people can surely do better? Did I expect too much???
Isn’t it easy to see just one part of the argument– exactly the one that you can pick, display “out of context” and make objections to and make the other side look like a bunch of obnoxious twits?? Isn’t that what everybody here is doing??
Let’s get objective. What are the (we?)”Kannads/Bangaloreans/Locals” saying?
1)Northies/Outsiders/The Others are a nuisance? Not really
2)They stole our jobs?Not at all
3)Undergo rigorous Kannada Literary appreciation courses?Nope
4)Bangalorean Auto Drivers could give suave Mr. Bond a run for his money? Oh boy. No
What are we saying then, if we’re not saying all those things?
1)Problems are universal and faced by everyone?Yes, Yes, Yes
2)The problems everyone faces are a result of migration that was too large and too rapid(quick) for the already present infrastructure to handle?Definitely
3)Bangalore has always been a diverse city and we HAVE and CAN live(d) with it Obviously. Truth,like history, is for all to see.
So what are objecting to then?
1)People saying “Hindi is the National Language and so EVERYBODY must speak it”
Why-> Because it is impossible for all of south india to pick up the language. Firstly, south indian languages majorly differ from Hindi making it difficult for people(a lot of who don’t have access to other sources, like say prime time tv) to learn. Secondly, where are the resources to educate sooooo many people? Is it even practical?
2)Only Bangalorean policemen and auto drivers etc etc are rude
Why->What major city in India, no! the world, doesn’t face these problems? There’s always some friction, some resentment, some iffiness. What do they mean by “…Big Bad City…” anyway?
Conclusion?
Problems exist, and are faced by everyone(Locals, immigrants, everyone). Quit complaining. More importantly, Quit pointing fingers.
————
But since the venerable author seems to have traveled extensively and in every auto in all of Trivandrum and Kozhikode AND cochin, my observations may not hold as much weight.
Having done some traveling myself, I could also talk about how every single man in Cochin is a lecher and about how more than 90% of the men there give you the creeps, if you are an outsider.
But no, I know that the above statement will hold only for a few streets of Cochin and that I shouldn’t generalise or make statements that I have NO idea about. So I won’t.
Sanctimonious of me. Yes.
Sudarshan
111
6:57 pm
Jerry,
Let me tell you all those who are in those so called Orkut Groups are pricks.
Yeah. We are very prickly people. All the educated Kannadigas on orkut are pricks. All the auto drivers are pricks. All the Kannadigas driving vehicles and causing all the traffic to conspire against you reaching your office in 2 minutes are pricks. The guys looting you in the petrol bunk are pricks. All the police are pricks. In fact, everybody other than you and her highness Somejoketha are pricks. The two of you should consider settling in a planet somewhere. How long are you going to be blind to the problems and keep attacking the symptoms? The problem is with the ohthisplaceissoshitty attitude of a visible majority of the neobengloorians. The symptom is the thenfuckofffromhere attitude of a visible majority of the locals.
Just a thought. If we are so undeserving of the company of outsiders, why do so many people still keep dropping by like refugees? And why have there been so many nonKannadigas in Bengaluru for the past sixty years? Why has this problem flared up in the last five years if we have always been pricks?
A. Beaten up by the local Auto Army - no, i reason with them.
B. Stuck in traffic - so is your brain
C. Trying to earn/save more - same like you
D. Burnt by a mob - with petrol costing more than beer, the mob wont do that.
E. Still groggy after getting so drunk a few days ago - yes, coz its damn cheap here. can u do something abt that?
F. Back in the paradise he spawned from, far from evil Bengaluru - no i still prefer it served like hell
So apparently all your problems have been taken care of. Your post is redundant. So why do you still crib when you have nothing to crib about?
And are you *actually* claiming Cochin is more “cosmo” than Bengaluru? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? How would Cochin react if tomorrow 5 lac arrogant migrants dropped by, demanding that you guys speak Hindi? That you should subscibe to Bhojpur times instead of Malayala Manorama? That you use mustard oil instead of coconut oil in hotels? Also, if Cochin was so awesome why are there so many Malayalees in the gelf?
Chintamani Kurse
112
6:57 pm
BTW, I have a mole on my neck. I know for most of you guys, you are jealous of me because of that, its a case of ’sour grapes.”
Chintamani Kurse
113
7:00 pm
Because unlike gelf, Kochi is awesome. Oh no, it doesn’t make sense. Time please. Coding seems easier now!!!
snigdha
114
8:39 pm
@Jerry:- Well Said.
Naveen
115
8:41 pm
@Jerry,
There’s a big economy and society in B’luru outside IT and BT. There are about 6-7 lakh techies here and about 1 million indirect dependents on these sectors (max to max), making it about 1.5 million people in a total BBMP population of 7.5 million. Thats 20% of the people who are in anyway connected to IT/BT. I’m a CS engineer myself, though I don’t work in that sector anymore. Its plain for me to see that 80% of B’luru works in a host of sectors - from textiles, machine tools, manufacturing, trade to services. And people from all backgrounds - millionaires to the poor work here. Did you know that Peenya is among the top 3 industrial estates in Asia in size and headcount (though not in revenue)? But IT gets too much space and eye-balls in the media.
Pls take a look at any media reports - scan ToI (the largest circulation in B’luru today) or follow a national news channel everyday for a month. The following sectors’ views (mainly personalities) are over-represented in any B’luru news report:
a) IT services - Infosys HR Head, NASSCOM chief
b) BT - Biocon Head
c) Marketing - Mr. Harish Bijoor
d) Others - Capt. Gopinath
e) “Expert” on Bangalore - Mr. Guha, Ms. Kavita Lankesh, Mr. Karnad
I’m not questioning these personalities and their view points. They are eminent in their own domains and deserve all accolades for what they’ve achieved till date. But where are all the other intelligentsia in B’lore? What about other sectors of economy and society? Is there no one else? The same view points on everything - from infrastructure to culture to history - are being bombarded day-in and day-out. A newcomer to B’luru will see and hear only this because he/she has no access to other views and vernacular channels. His mind is already made up about B’luru or rather the one-sided part of it.
How many newcomers have visited Chickpet/Gandhinagar (by far the most cosmopolitan area in B’luru and the best value shopping bargains in the city) except when they visit the railway station or bus stand? How many have visited the old areas of B’luru apart from Lalbagh and Cubbon Park? There’s a major disconnect between their perception and expectations from B’luru and the reality. The central areas have the worst drainage system possible in the city. But we see only the Hosur road slush in the rainy season.
The govt. was forced to construct a 400 cr. private tollway into E-city because of pressure from the denizens of E-city, making it difficult for any metro extension in future on that route. People were earlier stuck for hours at Bommanahalli and Silkboard. Now they’ll be stuck for hours at Silkboard-ORR trying to enter the tollway. People talk of the urban sprawl in B’luru but few question the per capita space consumed by the IT sector for their employees (Hint: ultra-lush green campuses of neo-B’luru companies). For that reason, I think ITPL is a better model than the foreign dignitary attracting campuses of you-know-who:-) You question the government’s and the IT sector’s infrastructural priorities, you get labelled as a person who got left behind in the IT revolution and can’t tolerate the riches of the outsiders.
So, where is the “Electoral Views of a non-techie”, Jerry on Mutiny? A debate with only one view point, I must say.
Seema
116
8:54 pm
@Sudarshan, Double Standards, Chintamani, Jerry : Grapes or mangoes ..its so much fun seeing “educated south indians” fight amongst each other. Being a Southie myself I am so proud of you all.. Keep up the spirits. Fight away people.
@Nikhil: Thanks man, You make sense but useless for brainless people.
Nikhil Narayanan
117
8:58 pm
@Naveen
I have visited Chikpet couple of times and feel the same.
How many of the so called, “I know it all, I am an outsider, I don’t like this place for its traffic and auto-wallahs” have seen these places? Even I wonder.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
118
9:00 pm
@Sudarshan - Hey man you are Octa - The IIT Madras Dude!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3675/607/1600/octa.jpg
@Chintamani Kurse you are Chin2! - Choo Cute
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3675/607/1600/chintamani.0.jpg
Wow man quite a storm you kids have started around here. It was funny seeing you guys all go fire and brimstone in the blog. It was even funnier reading your descriptions in http://maddiggers.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html
And not a part of this intellectual debate, but Mr.Sudarshan Karanth is placed way above where you are, this is just a clarification for the ‘Grapes of sour’ comment. For you, it is not grapes are sour, he is at a level, where you can say, “You can’t see me, there are too many like me.”
ROTFL dude ROTFL!
What salary are you getting Octa Man. What you must be 24 out of IIM Lucknow..are you like bulshitting all of us here claiming to be plucking mangoes from god knows what tree. Really grow up…oh true…as your friends say ‘At times quite immature’ ….looks like you have a lot of growing up to do.
So which company is giving you this salary…are they from North India…?
Sudarshan
119
9:09 pm
@Seema
its so much fun seeing “educated south indians” fight amongst each other.
So is there some rule that educated south indians must not spit on the face of literate-but-uneducated whiny ignorant entitled gasbags (who feel that coding is the pinnacle of human evolution) just because they are south Indians? That would be “region”-ist. There is no immunity to any idiot just because he is a South Indian. A retard is a retard, wherever he spawns from (Delhi, Bengal or Cochin). Its just the numbers that might give a different impression, thats all.
Being a Southie myself I am so proud of you all.. Keep up the spirits. Fight away people.
Thanks for your regionist comment.
@Nikhil: Thanks man, You make sense but useless for brainless people.
…. (Jerry and Somejoketha).
Sudarshan
120
9:13 pm
Thanks for making us famous, Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin.
So which company is giving you this salary…are they from North India…?
Unfortunately, it is/they are not.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
121
9:18 pm
They are not giving you the salary ? As they are from North India. Would explain your Northie bashing kiddo.
Cant believe what an upstart you are.
You need to be spanked….Bad Boy Octa Bad Boy *spank* *spank*
Sudarshan
122
10:05 pm
Yeah. Jerry is as North Indian as the Ganges, probably.
Seema
123
2:55 am
@Mene: Thanks for the info on Octa and Chin2. LOL that was funny
@ others: Oh Sweet Mosses! We were arguing with Kids!!! a.k.a. sudarshan and Chintamani . No wonder why they are making such a fuss.
@Sudarshan: since every comment of yours has something for Sanjukta, it seems like you are totally smitten by her. We will get her to buy you an ice cream someday
Also to give you an anwer on your last post directed to me: I don’t know what kind of education you have to make you think that you are “oh so educated” and others are ignorant and whiny. My Regionist comment was very much intentional.
A friendly advise to you : keep your ego down and you will reach great heights. ( I don’t think you will find this as any TDC..let me know if you do as you seem to have mastered the art of TDCs.)
TRUCE EVERYBODY…
Sanjukta
124
3:52 am
WTF these Locals are not Locals in the first place??? WTBF? I thought they are the patriots and all trying to save their land from the northi invaders… and these guys got their education from the cow belt??? IIM Lucknow….holy shit a place in the cow belt.. Just wtf… I am speechless at the frivolity of the opinions
ah now i get it… that explains the Googled perspective btw…
And wtf one techie bad mouthing another techie?????
What losers. lol Now I find this whole debate funny… Lol.
@Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
Thanks
Nikhil Narayanan
125
9:21 am
@All
Even I googled for Sudarshan Karath when Chintamani posted SK’s full name #100.
And found the blog and their fb profiles. Wanted to post, but did not want to be a kill joy
and @Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin posts the whole bio!
Bollywood-ish twist.
I am loving it
Chintamani Kurse
126
10:03 am
@Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
I know it takes a little bit of courage to put your name. Dont worry, I wont google up your name
And about my photo, sorry, I dont tilt that way!!!
Chintamani Kurse
127
10:06 am
@Sudarshan - Hey man you are Octa - The IIT Madras Dude!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3675/607/1600/octa.jpg
Yes, he is octa, and that’s a funny photo ROTFLMAO
that’s your language right?
@Chintamani Kurse you are Chin2! - Choo Cute
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3675/607/1600/chintamani.0.jpg
Wow man quite a storm you kids have started around here. It was funny seeing you guys all go fire and brimstone in the blog. It was even funnier reading your descriptions in http://maddiggers.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html
And not a part of this intellectual debate, but Mr.Sudarshan Karanth is placed way above where you are, this is just a clarification for the ‘Grapes of sour’ comment. For you, it is not grapes are sour, he is at a level, where you can say, “You can’t see me, there are too many like me.”
ROTFL dude ROTFL!
What salary are you getting Octa Man. What you must be 24 out of IIM Lucknow..are you like bulshitting all of us here claiming to be plucking mangoes from god knows what tree. Really grow up…oh true…as your friends say ‘At times quite immature’ ….looks like you have a lot of growing up to do.
So which company is giving you this salary…are they from North India…?
Let me go one by one, yes he is 24, doesn’t work on his fathers money, and saves 10 lakhs a year, and surprise he doesnt work in north india. And about growing up, he needs to grow up, you need to START growing.
Chintamani Kurse
128
10:15 am
They are not giving you the salary ? As they are from North India. Would explain your Northie bashing kiddo.
Cant believe what an upstart you are.
You need to be spanked….Bad Boy Octa Bad Boy *spank* *spank*
You spank guys?? Seriously? How gay could you be!!! Do you do it to kids as well? Just to tell you both are illegal in India, Sanjukta, am I wrong? Or the correction helps here, that India is quasi federal?
snigdha
129
10:41 am
@Chin2:- Here comes the saviour friend of Octa.
Rest assured even if MMTU is gay, you and ur dost will not be on his list. I am sure his taste in men/ women is not that bad. So please dont feel scared.
As far as homesexuality being illigal in India, yes you are right, it is and so is regionalist comments, apathy towards a certain community, using derogatory words for women. (U know the “bitch and whores”, the golden words that came out of ur frnd’s super educated brain)
I dont belive this discussin is now going towards homosexualioty and the outdated Indian laws.
@MMTU:- This Octa guy is from IIM Lucknow, is that it…that’s all…what an anti climax
I thought with so much of jumping around that he did with his mangoes he would atleast be a scientist from ISRO or Deputy Spokes person of the Extenal Affairs Ministry.
Chintamani Kurse
130
10:42 am
@Snigdha
have you heard this?
Ham ko maloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat lekin
dil ke behlaane ko Ghalib, ye khyal acha hai!!!
Chintamani Kurse
131
11:37 am
@Nikhil, you quiz in kerala right?
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
132
11:46 am
@Sanjukta @Seema - My pleasure
Sudarshan
133
12:06 pm
This is awesome. Now I won’t be accused of boasting when I talk about my perspective. Now I can shift to personality based arguments instead of issues, and I am un-stone-able, thanks to the “let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone” principle. Nice!
@Seema
Every comment of mine also has something for Jerry too. Can I buy him some cheese, someday? And about your intentional comment, you are the goddess of subtlety. Maybe you can consider standup comedy as a career. Thanks for your friendly advise. I am happy with where my ego has got me. Maybe you could consider growing a mustache. That way you could earn more. Many research reports talk about a wage gap, you know.
By the way, you don’t seem to know what a TDC is. Please don’t hesitate to ask Sanjukta for a first hand perspective before assuming meanings. Now you just appear ignorant when it could have been easily avoided.
@Sanjukta
So, let’s see…. Local auto drivers who have never left Bengaluru don’t have “perspective” gained by traveling to Cochin and Trivandrum. Locals who study engineering here (and have interacted with many non-kannadigas) don’t have perspective. Locals who study elsewhere and come back to Bangalore for work don’t have perspective. Locals who study elsewhere and then study some more elsewhere and then work elsewhere don’t have perspective, and their opinions are “frivolous”, unlike your grave observations literally from ground level. Bangaloreans who have stayed in the cow belt don’t have a perspective on North India. I guess the only way to get perspective would be to morph into a female Bengali two-bit lawyer from Delhi. Now all I need is a time machine and a transmogrifier to get perspective. Know any suppliers?
I guess before anybody has an opinion on the ozone layer, he should have traveled all the way up there to gain perspective on the issue. Before anybody comments on the rising sea level, he should stand for years to calculate the millimeter rise. Before anybody comments on water scarcity in Darfur, he should risk life and limb and measure the moisture content there. Before talking about TDCs, I should meet each and every one of them.
And you may not know this, but not all guys who work on a computer are the same. That’s like saying that a Fiat Uno is the same as an Enzo Ferrari because both are Italian cars.
Nikhil Narayanan
134
12:08 pm
@Chintamani Kurse
Used to quiz in Kerala when I was in school.
Left Kerala after school.
Have quizzed across India including your friend’s IIML.
I hate to blow my own trumpet but, yes I am a winner of Tata Crucible 2007, National Runner Up BT Acumen 2006 amongst a zillion other quizzes.
You asked for it.
Chintamani Kurse
135
12:12 pm
I am not saying you blow your own trumpet. You are a biz quizzer, so I have never seen you personally. But somewhere had heard your name or Nikhil Narayan who works in our company, I am still not sure whose name, I think his name.
Chintamani Kurse
136
12:13 pm
It was a simple question, you dont need to take it personally.
snigdha
137
12:24 pm
@Sudarshan:- how much can u talk..uff…
Nikhil Narayanan
138
12:28 pm
@Chintamani
Okay, agreed. Knew someone in Techspan(guessing you are there),may be that ways.
@Sudarshan
Being sarcy and personal , eh?
Yes, my engineering college had half of the junta from Andhra Pradesh as per the admission system in NITs, but had atleast one person from each state/UT except Daman Diu.
I am not quite sure if your insti had atleast a person from every state/UT. And from friends I have heard that lot of people from AP and Kota land in IITs, that should skew the gepgrpahic profile of students, right? May be one reason for your point of view/ideology whatever.
Yes, my B School was not as North as yours.
In my Engg COllege and B School, I have had friends from across the country to build an opinion that I have; to have a broad mindset blah blah.
(I HATE to tell people this)
I am from Kerala, a place that openly welcomed Islam,Christianity and Jewism years before other parts of India did.
Let us NOT get personal,telling you again.
On quizzes, I have won then, you would have missed in the elims or would have been cheering for me in the audience. You better keep doing that.
Ah, there you go again another comment!
Being on IIML stage is not something that I tell people. It is NOTHING in the list of victories.
A very busy day at work.
Won’t be following this shitty piece of conversation.
Chintamani Kurse
139
12:34 pm
@Nikhil,
No, I am not in techspan. Did you come for world quizzing championships? It wasn’t a business quiz.
Chintamani Kurse
140
12:36 pm
And of course thanks for not being a killjoy,
Chintamani Kurse
141
12:37 pm
I am from Kerala, a place that openly welcomed Islam,Christianity and Jewism years before other parts of India did.
yet sadly, kerala isn’t considered cosmo. Maybe because again they speak only malayalam there, those who learn english go out.
Sudarshan
142
12:45 pm
@ Nikhil
Yes, my engineering college had half of the junta from Andhra Pradesh as per the admission system in NITs, but had atleast one person from each state/UT except Daman Diu.
So that is the same as being in all the places and absorbing perspective. Right.
I am not quite sure if your insti had atleast a person from every state/UT.
Once in four years, atleast one chap from Daman Diu also lands up there. So I am more full-of-perspective than you can ever be. So there.
And from friends I have heard that lot of people from AP and Kota land in IITs, that should skew the gepgrpahic profile of students, right? May be one reason for your point of view/ideology whatever.
Congrats. You have friends in the IIT. I guess that makes you an IITian too! Woah! Slow down, man! This is information overload!
In my Engg COllege and B School, I have had friends from across the country to build an opinion that I have; to have a broad mindset blah blah.
(I HATE to tell people this)
Yeah. And I haven’t. Riiiight. Probably because the students I interacted with are of lower quality than the ones you have. And I HATE to tell people about broad mindset blablabla, but I seem to find some idiot lawyers proudly boasting about how they have bengali genes and are from Delhi. You should HATE such people no?
I am from Kerala, a place that openly welcomed Islam,Christianity and Jewism years before other parts of India did.
Congrats. I guess you were offered that trumpet before you were born. I am from the Earth, a place that has allowed so many different cultures to evolve. Thanks for asking.
On quizzes, I have won then, you would have missed in the elims or would have been cheering for me in the audience. You better keep doing that.
Like in the Tata Crucible Finals? When I say been there, done that, I really mean been there, done that. So please google up before plunging your foot into your mouth. And by the way, quizzes are not as much a measure of brain power as it is a yardstick to measure how much one can mug trivia up. On the other hand, Mensa membership is. Check if you can find out on google if I am a member of that too. I can send you a scanned copy of my certificate if you want.
Won’t be following this shitty piece of conversation.
So it is a shitty piece of conversation, when you are talking to somebody higher up. Where do you work, maum?
@Snigdha
I can talk almost as much as you can poop. I can talk almost as much as Josef Fritzl can love his daughter. Thanks for asking.
snigdha
143
12:46 pm
@sudi and @chin2, sorry guys but what are you fighting for. Chin2 u keep saying kerela is not cosmo, so are you fighting to prove that bangalore is cosmo? What exactly is the fight for? and Sudi you, what are you arguing about? How intelligent you are coz u from IIML or u are a blessed human being coz mother goddess came personaly to bless you? What are you exactly fighting for?
I have lost track of the whole converstaion, arguments and counter arguments, it now looks like a battle ground for the 2 of you getting personal with anyone to prove your point. Though what point that is what I am not able to undestand. Is it, Bangalore is cosmo or Sudi is the best thing that has happened to the man kind?
Apologise for my ignorance
Chintamani Kurse
144
12:47 pm
apologised!!!
Sudarshan
145
12:50 pm
Let us NOT get personal,telling you again.
Sticking to issues would mean actually talking about *why* the outsider is pissing so many Bangaloreans off. We’ve tried doing that. Unfortunately, some people are very keen on parading their (illegal?) Bangladeshi origins and delhi upbringing. Some people are very keen on parading their IT job as though it is something only the top 1 percent of population can get. Some people are very keen on trying to spit on people way above them. So why not join in?
Sudarshan
146
12:58 pm
How intelligent you are coz u from IIML
Again, Chlormint kha. I never blew my own trumpet. My probable alter ego did. So what would I say? That I am not from an IIM? That would be like saying you don’t have a blog named constant motion.
u are a blessed human being coz mother goddess came personaly to bless you?
Nah, I never claimed that either. That is being done by somebody parading his native state as one that welcomed jews before the rest of India did.
What are you exactly fighting for?
I would not like to repeat points. Read up on the comments from the start.
it now looks like a battle ground for the 2 of you getting personal with anyone to prove your point.
Yeah, when I replaced the J in Sanjukta’s name with a Y, and when she called me a moron with balls for eyes, it really happened. I have lost all my brains. And now I can only talk about how sad I am for disappointing you with my degree, not about why outsiders piss bangaloreans off. Thank god all the information is encapsulated in the comments before Sanjukta scrambled my brains over the internet.
Is it, Bangalore is cosmo or Sudi is the best thing that has happened to the man kind?
One thing does not necessitate the negation of the other. Just like you liking your job would not mean that Josef Fritzl doesn’t love his daughter.
Apologise for my ignorance
Its okay. Nobody can be perfect. Nobody except elite Intechiellectuals and Bangladeshis from Delhi, that is.
snigdha
147
1:15 pm
@sudi:- cd not understand a single word that u just said, dobara repeat karenge please?
Sudarshan
148
1:24 pm
Sniggi, pl read the comments from the start. I could copy paste my previous post to repeat it, but that wouldn’t be too much help.
1conoclast
149
1:33 pm
Yeh kya bakwas chal raha hai???
Can someone translate that into Kannada for the localite waging a lone battle?
Sudarshan
150
1:38 pm
You forgot to add “and beating the morons to pulp”.
And kya chal raha hai?? Kyon akal nahi hai kya, khudh padke samaj lene ke liye?
Ram Gopal
151
1:41 pm
@Snigdha:- All that Sudarshan is trying to say is that he is himself a bastarsiced version of some North Indian who must have slept with his mother, or may be his father must have impreganted a north Indian woman who he had an illicit affair with.
All this guy..what is his name again..Octa..has been doing is “I am holier than thou” as if we are interersted in knowing that. An ass hole will always remain an ass hole. No amount of education can make an asshole a human. Please understand this simple logic Mr. Sudarshan that you have been proving time and again that you are an ass hole. So please pack your bags and do the job for which your company is paying you a hefty salary of “Mangoes” .
Did he also not suggest that Seema should grow moustache? Well I just saw his photo which MeneMene posted. This Octa also has no moustache. I wonder which part of the body is he growing his moustache? Can you beat that, Sudarshan the pride of the nation is asking a lady to grow a moustache becuase he simply could not take the kick on his balls from her.
And if you are actually Mene Mene as you had said in one of the comments in that case your own friend Chu Mani, has spilled all the beans by calling you Gay and that you spank him too. I would still insist that don’t take this gay part personally, after all they are human too and someone’s sexual orientation does not make anyone good or bad. But how would you understand the sensitivity of issues like this you have been placed too high to see the ground on which you once stood.
People like you are the last thing that should walk on this planet. You are a pest nothing more than a parasite.
This post was started by Jerry. You expect him to be a Kanadiga and not complain about the state afairs incase he does you would rather show him the door. Well, what makes you think that he is not a Kannadiga? Do you know him? May be he is more Kannadiga than you yourself are. May be he loves this city much as we all do. But he still cant tell the administartion that there are areas for improvment for the city becuase even if he loves this city he has no right to open his mouth becuase he was not born in the Kanada Land. Right? Who is a bigger traitor? One who keeps boasting and bragging about his salary and job and claim to love Bangalore or the one who is raising his voice and asking questions to the Government to improve the condition of the city?
People like you are a traitor, who feels proud that there is dicrimination based on sex, that discrimination is logical based on language we speak and city that we come from.
Its a pity that we have young people like you who are eating this country like rodents.
Sudarshan
152
2:21 pm
Sidestepping all the doodie…. Read 109 for getting filled in on the issues, and what locals expect the outsiders to do. Afterwards, a few shits tried to poke fun at people high above them and got singed, so thats not too pleasant a read for the ones getting singed. Understandable.
One who keeps boasting and bragging about his salary and job and claim to love Bangalore or the one who is raising his voice and asking questions to the Government to improve the condition of the city?
The first one is Jerry. I wonder who the second one is. The first one also claims his hometown is way better than this hell he has descended to, to which a valid suggestion would be to not prolong this agony any further. Heh.
People like you are a traitor, who feels proud that there is dicrimination based on sex, that discrimination is logical based on language we speak and city that we come from.
Thank you. So a mention of research about a wage gap is “discriminatory”. A mention of the right of the locals to speak in the local language in their homeland is “betrayal”. We need more warriors like you.
Sudarshan
153
2:42 pm
has been doing is “I am holier than thou” as if we are interersted in knowing that.
Yeah. Like I brought it up. I was just adding to the info MMTU bravely dug up. You may not be interested, but apparently, the others are. You know, the ones who go “My grand parents are from Bangladesh, Dad was born in Bangladesh, grew up in North Bengal, worked in Kolkata, moved to Delhi. Mom was born and brought up in Kolkata. My maternal grandparents were also from Kolkata but their roots were in Bangladesh. I was born in North bengal braught up in Delhi where I stayed till last year when I moved to Bangalore.” or “I am from Kerala, a place that openly welcomed Islam,Christianity and Jewism years before other parts of India did.”
You are free to close your eyes to all that information. This was ‘for their eyes only’. Just like there is nobody holding Jerry back in Bengaluru, theres nobody keeping your eyes open and scrolling the page in front of you.
Can you beat that, Sudarshan the pride of the nation is asking a lady to grow a moustache becuase he simply could not take the kick on his balls from her.
Ah that was just friendly advise on how to “go higher”. Like I can chop off my ego, maybe somebody could grow a dick. Stranger things *have* happened, you know.
And if you are actually Mene Mene
Don’t worry maga, I’m not. Apparently you don’t understand the word “probably”. Google could help, just fyi.
We're all for Double Standards
154
3:03 pm
Arre, Sanjyukta,
What anti climax? Had Sudarshan not been crying hoarse that he has INDEED studied in the north, before some 40 comments were posted? Why did the anti climax happen only when some anonymous MMTU whatever(who I suspect is out of work after the Delhi/Mumbai/Bangalore Mirror kicked him out for unreliable Research practices )
WAITAMINNIT
No. One more.
Are you NOT READING THE COMMENTS we’re posting???
Shit. (It might work in the courts, but pliss, listen to our arguments before blasting us with your super intellectual counter arguments)
@ Sud”i”, Chin”2″: You know you’ve won the argument when they dessert the debate and go out looking for your “personal information” to salvage their backsides(Which in this case worked against them anyway). Hi Five folks. Someone fetch the champagne glasses.
1conoclast
155
3:04 pm
Sudarshan…
You’ve been asked quite a few times in this forum not to get personal. Jerry & the editors at the Mutiny have been fairly nice uptil now & not punted you for it, but that doesn’t mean that you can continue in that vein.
You’re not only rude, you’re also delusional. You’re not beating anyone to pulp here. Everyone else is just humouring you and you’re mistaking that for weakness on their part. Choose a language & I’m certain you’ll get more than you bargained for in terms of rudeness or profanity, if the others on this forum decided to come down to your level.
And not everyone chooses to devote precious hours to reading the trash that you’ve been churing out here. That will explain the question you found it so difficult to understand.
Jerry/Editors: Time to chastise Sudarshan via comment moderation?
Chintamani Kurse
156
3:12 pm
Yeh kya bakwas chal raha hai???
Can someone translate that into Kannada for the localite waging a lone battle?
Nange belge belge adde habba.
We're all for Double Standards
157
3:18 pm
@Ram Gopal
Please Please the spellings, they hurt!
You expect him to be a Kanadiga and not complain about the state afairs incase he does you would rather show him the door. Well, what makes you think that he is not a Kannadiga? Do you know him? May be he is more Kannadiga than you yourself are. May be he loves this city much as we all do. But he still cant tell the administartion that there are areas for improvment for the city becuase even if he loves this city he has no right to open his mouth becuase he was not born in the Kanada Land. Right? Who is a bigger traitor? One who keeps boasting and bragging about his salary and job and claim to love Bangalore or the one who is raising his voice and asking questions to the Government to improve the condition of the city?
Looks like you skipped Poor Jerry’s original post. Sanjyukta is forgiven for not reading the comments now. Jerry has admitted to being from Kerala(where he has traveled in every single auto in no less than 3 cities). So that’s settled. He is not a kannadiga. Did you mean Bangalorean perchance? Because we did. We never said we have a problem with Non-Kannadigas. Ask any Kannadiga kid and s/he will tell you about how s/he happily grew up in a locality where there were at least 2 Tamilian households, 2 Telugu households, 1 North Indian household, 1 Malyalee family, along with the 4 Kannadiga households in the same street (Since the late ’50s). Bangalore never complained until recently, when it got too much to handle.
But wow, you seem to be one up on MMTU. You work for India TV?
Where every news broadcast, even if political, even if misunderstood, will always have 1 sting operation, a few speculative background checks, some illicit affair, some joker(Shakti Kapoor, bhoots, you, etc)
Level man! Level! None of us thought of attacking other people’s mothers/fathers etc. I doubt if we could have. You seem to be a genius that knew the perfect trick to pull and the perfect card to play to win this argument. Bravo!
Chintamani Kurse
158
3:23 pm
@1conoclast or chyawanprash or whatever
Check dude, who all have been personal, remove all of them.
1conoclast
159
3:39 pm
Chinta…
Your point being?
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
160
3:43 pm
Ninnantha buddhivantaru unnata shikharake yerabeku….matte mavina hannu tinnabeku - good boy sudu now dont cry.
Sudarshan is a kid. Delusional , frustrated and angry. He specializes in this kind of drivel that he and his ‘bum chum’ Chintooo propagate through various online forums. We now have Miss Double Standards , a juvenile from college joining in to the party. Find another playground you idiots.
As a Bangalorean you make me wanna puke. BWAHHHHH here some mango juice on your face from last night. This is the level of intelligence they play in.
Sudarshan and Chintu - Sumne tesnion bidi - you guys are amazing fantastic yes the sun does shine through your posterior since you went to the IIT.
Sudarshan
161
3:46 pm
1conoclast
You’ve been asked quite a few times in this forum not to get personal.
Okay. So the screaming when I replaced a Y with a J in the post after comment 075, (which for some reason I can’t seem to find, probably because the poster has deleted it) and which I replied to in 084 was not “getting personal”? The posts 119, 124, 125, 141, 154 are not personal. But only the ones that are in reply to them are? Is it like a one way valve or something? I need a new set of definitions to find out what is personal and what is not.
Valid points were being raised, till somebody tried to exhibit their sleuthing skills and the rest chipped in with their comments. *Hint: 119 onwards, till 125*
You’re not only rude, you’re also delusional.
Yeah. I am trying to have a discussion with somebody who feels that being from bengal and growing up in Delhi teaches them about India. With somebody who believes he is so much wiser than everybody because he wins a few quizzes. Heh.
PS: The exact text of the deleted comment was
The least you could do is to get my name right, before asking us northies to make things right for your city’s problem.
what have you got buttons in those sockets or hav u got balls there? Or did you unlearn your English too in your attempt to Oppose to learn Hindi so Y and J look the same to you… oh no I know what it is, its your twisted southie tongue that can’t pronounce a northie name right….and since you cant pronounce it right u insist on not spelling it right either. So much talk for others to learn your language and ways to shit the way you do and you bloody can’t even learn how to spell a name right you moron… It’s sanjukta NOT sanyukta.
I’m guessing that does not fall within the “getting personal” definition. They are kosher. The ones replying to them are haraam.
We're all for Double Standards
162
3:47 pm
I agree with Chintamani.
Everyone has been indulging. Everyone’s getting personal.
Please don’t pretend to have “humored” those you can’t counter. Considering people here are sourcing and discussing personal blogs and photographs, I don’t think anybody has refrained from crossing any lines in trying to get one-up.
Besides, in a lot of people’s defense, quoting from other people’s comments, and from their blogs(which they have volunteered by posting links) is not called getting snoopy.
But if by his/her comment, 1conoclast means “throw all the southies/localites/people on THAT side of the argument out”(which I suspect s/he does), well okay! your call. That will totally win you the argument. Great idea!
Chintamani Kurse
163
3:54 pm
Sudarshan and Chintu - Sumne tesnion bidi - you guys are amazing fantastic yes the sun does shine through your posterior since you went to the IIT.
This person seriously has a problem, why are you looking towards our posterior?
And conocast, you’re for double standards has made it clear i guess.otherwise, read the posts again.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
164
3:56 pm
This person seriously has a problem, why are you looking towards our posterior?
Beacause your heads are stuck in it and you look ridiculous thats why.
Nimmage artha agatta ?
Chintamani Kurse
165
3:58 pm
Ninnantha buddhivantaru unnata shikharake yerabeku….matte mavina hannu tinnabeku
As a reply to this
Kopaveke kopaveke ajji
Biddu ninna kopa
Toru shaant roopa
We're all for Double Standards
166
4:00 pm
oooh MMTU, so much cheek, from someone that hides behind a misleading moniker and pokes fun at everyone else’s true identities(which they have the, ahem, anatomy to link here)? Boy, you have some fair guts to make up for missing anatomy!
Playground? What better playground than a place that claims to be some sort of “answering machine” for all of India, and still has second rate posts, like this one( and bigoted statements against bigotry) that tries to ape a far better and more successful blog(Sepoys anyone). So rest assured, we’re at the right place.
Oh come on!!!
Having been in this Pardddyyyy for much longer than you, I have the right to stay in this argument. Okay let’s see now.
Juvenile Me I have spoken about Bangalore in the past, its issues and have evidently, fairly moderate views which I have voiced, and clearly.
Senile MMTU I’m sorry but besides your obviously kickass skills of Googling people’s names and doing unrequited, yet super sophisticated, Background checks(like reading people’s blogger profiles), you seem to have contributed nothing to this argument. Nothing factual, nothing of any importance, nothing that takes the argument further.
Besides. The Free Dictionary online really is free and really works. Check the entry for Juvenile there. Please.
Chintamani Kurse
167
4:04 pm
@MMTU
BTW, if you knew a bit of kannada, your name means(in bellary kannada), I bend over to suck mine. Please check it.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
168
4:06 pm
@Chintoo
This argument is making you remember your grandma …LOL LOL LOL
Chintamani Kurse
169
4:07 pm
Nopes I dont need this to remember my grandma, in kannad we do it even if we dont have reason
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
170
4:08 pm
@Chintoo…
By the way it describes you perfectly. Its the writing on the wall for you. Google it if you can.
Sudarshan
171
4:08 pm
So MMTU stays, right? For all the valid pertinent points he has been making so often.
Sanjukta Post 028: I have made more meaningful relationships here in Bangalore in just one year than I had in my entire life in Delhi.
So much for perspective. The opinions of somebody who has stayed in different places in the country are “frivolous” (125), but the opinions of her highness are truly veda-vakyagalu.
Chintamani Kurse
172
4:09 pm
If it described me, I am pretty much like you in this regard, I would have kept that name.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
173
4:09 pm
About the Mene mene one…..i thought it described what you guys did in the IIT hostel rooms. Thats why its the writing on your wall.
Chintamani Kurse
174
4:10 pm
@MMTU:
Please dont think so much, it doesn’t suit you. Google for what IITians do in their rooms.
We're all for Double Standards
175
4:12 pm
Chat transcript from Google Stalk (Developed specially for the super secret CIA-KGB collaborative organisation for its employees only )
MMTU:
Dude. Quick, I need some help. Tell me how I translate these lines into Kannada.
Frustrated Kannadiga Colleague:
No Da. Sorry, I really don’t have the time to write love letters. Have work to do. How I wish I only googled people’s names for money like you did.
MMTU:
No this is not a love letter
Frustrated Kannadiga Colleague:
Not like the one you asked me to write the other time you were hitting on a Dig chick?
MMTU:
No yaar. She rejected me. In spite of my brilliant Googling skills. All digs suck.
Frustrated Kannadiga Colleague:
errrr….MMMTU…
MMTU:
Okay Okay, not you. You’re a nice guy. All digs, but you, suck. But please translate this for me.
Frustrated Kannadiga Colleague:
Okay what?
[conversation continues]
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
176
4:13 pm
Juvenile Me I have spoken about Bangalore in the past, its issues and have evidently, fairly moderate views which I have voiced, and clearly.
Having moderate views does not make you Not Juvenile , its a state of your mind that I am talking about.
You are entertaining….thats for sure. I like you.
Chintamani Kurse
177
4:14 pm
He likes you
Sudarshan
178
4:15 pm
So MMTU can see the lights shining through our posterior, even though our heads seem to be blocking the path of the light. And he is seeing all this *while* bending over for autofellatory purposes. I guess that is logical, but I’m having troubles imagining it. I also guess that is his “perspective” on the issue. I guess it is also normal for people to have such a perspective. You know, when they demand that bangalore auto drivers should speak in hindi and all, probably they are in the exact physical position our MMTU is in right now.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
179
4:23 pm
Sudarshan , read the IIT hostel comment….I guess you relate to it already.
We're all for Double Standards
180
4:23 pm
Sumne tesnion bidi
MMTU, You are the super men.
Masti Venkatesh Iyengar? (One of the greatest Kannada littérateurs, incidentally a non-Kannadiga), he turns, in his grave
And all of Westminster Abbey’s graveyard, and the others in England, where stalwarts of the English language are buried, are coughing. Must be the “tesnion”
As an aside,
Guys, doesn’t MMTU’s careful and slow (while making uneducated mistakes) reproductions of some helpful colleague’s translations remind you of all the non-Kannada speakers here saying “Ka-na-da Goo-tee-laa”?
“Eee Bus-u Shivajinagar ge ho-ga-tt-aa?”
“Ticket book-maadi”
I swear to god, I find it really cute when a lot of my friends do it.
Ram Gopal
181
4:25 pm
Why is everyone from the Sudarshan Party asking the rest to Google for everything? Oh I get it, may be its too much to put a valid argument after all logic and reasoning is non existent in their disctionaty. All they have been doing is asking people to eat clormint and refer Google. I am sure they cleared their papers only through google based research. Does Google pay one on promoting their site? May be it does, ok let me also chant Google mantra.
Madam Low Standards, you surely are a Juvenile. A 19 year old who just started getting her periods and pubic growth surely needs comapny like Sudarshan (who asks women to grow moustache) and Chu Mani who has his head stuck in his anus.
What you helping these guys dis-engage from their bum or are they Googling for you which brand of tampons should they buy for a 19 year old bimbette?
Ram Gopal
182
4:26 pm
@Iconoclast:- Could not agree more
Ram Gopal
183
4:27 pm
@MMTU:- now u are talking their language. The lonly language these pests understand.
Vinayak
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4:30 pm
Wow guys , so much has happened. Good job all of you.
But am afraid its degenerating into a brawl here. Everyone has made their point ….lets stop it here and carry this on in some other posts some other day.
Please , as entertaining as this may be , dont print this out and destroy trees. Save the environment
We're all for Double Standards
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4:34 pm
Awwww.
So Googling people’s pics is like super mature and adult??
Wait a minute, it indeed, is
Right, so I’m so sorry I don’t use my internet to “google pictures” *smirk*
You understand ‘a state of my mind’? Really, what is my ‘a state of mind’? Please tell. Will save me psychoanalysis fees.
You call me juvenile baby? Back it up. With facts.then I’ll believe you. I’ll show you how,
“You have the IQ of a goat.”
Why? Because you walk into an argument and make irrelevant statements. You google people’s names. Like we, or your other “Bangaloreans-suck-a-state of mind” friends couldn’t have done that already. And discuss people instead of discussing issues.
People talk about tolerance to other cultures, to which you make some borrowed statements in verbally defunct Kannada like you just stunned the Universe with your immense knowledge.
So QED. I have reasons to make estimates of your IQ.
I know I’m entertaining. I can be; when I want to. Too bad you don’t have that talent.
You like me? Sure, so what else is new? Everybody does.
Sudarshan
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4:35 pm
Ram Gopal. Super culture. Which lab are you from? I guess your posts are kosher too. Are they, 1conoclast?
Sudarshan
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4:39 pm
Oh I get it, may be its too much to put a valid argument after all logic and reasoning is non existent in their disctionaty.
Ah, sweet irony.
Ram Gopal
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4:43 pm
@low standard:- so I’m so sorry I don’t use my internet to “google pictures” *smirk*
Really..? What do u use Google or Internet for..
*smirk* let me guess, “escort service” may be Am I right *smirk*
Sudarshan
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4:47 pm
Very logical arguments to tell us why Karnataka police should learn Hindi. Keep it up, Gopala.
We're all for Double Standards
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4:55 pm
Ram Gopal,
No. I use the internet for information, you know, for research, when I’m writing reviews of books, or features on famous people, or when I’m interviewing international cricketers?
So YOU use the internet for ahem
*smirk* “escort service”? You pay to get some? why you poor little naughty boy 
*smirk* Cho chad.
Your mother taught you to kick ass? Too bad, she must be so disappointed with you. She thought her son would grow up and teach some “Madrasis” Hindi and she was disappointed on all counts.
1)You didn’t grow up
2)You sit and visualise/watch and write kink all day.
3)You CANT kick ass
4)Worse, you get yours kicked, multiple times.
5)Worshtest(Englis not too high no?) you get your ass kicked by “juvenile 19 year olds ”
I heart your mother’s state. She should watch Mother India.
1conoclast
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5:02 pm
Sudarshan…
Point taken. Everyone has been personal. It doesn’t excuse you however. I will gladly change my request to Jerry to include all offenders.
Since I’m very far from either the city or the state, I hadn’t participated in this discussion at all. My curiousity was piqued by the number of comments it was attracting. What bothered me when I came here was that it was another Maratha v/s UP-ite, Bihari type of debate. I’m sure you understand how distressing such arguments can be. Why do we as Human Beings, as Indians, argue so vehemently about trifling localisms like language & statehood & regionalism.
I singled you out because you seemed to be fighting the regional battle the hardest. It is too reminiscent of a certain raj thakre in Maharashtra.
Mr. Double Standards… I hope that answers your question as well.
We're all for Double Standards
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5:11 pm
@1conoclast
There is a distinction between dragging random people with names like “Rahul Kumar” out of their workplaces and beating them up and objecting to unfair generalisations. That distinction is what makes this debate different from the Marathi Vs North India fracas.
What we protest(ed) are unfair statements/beliefs and biases. Not by politically motivated bigshots, but by supposedly educated people. Also, this is a debate where people (are meant to) hear each other out and point ruptures in argument and/or defend their beliefs. We, for the most part, have done just that. I don’t think this is an argument that should be quelled. It should be resolved, barring which case, we will wait till it fizzles out.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:13 pm
@WAFDS - Really you are a pretentious little thing.
No. I use the internet for information, you know, for research, when I’m writing reviews of books, or features on famous people, or when I’m interviewing international cricketers?
Oh puhleeze. You have measured my IQ because based on really logical arguments , you rule. Show us a balanced view without the sarcastic K-a-n-a-d-a G-o-t-e-e-l-a s and we’ll talk.
No I am not one with a Bangalore-sucks state of mind. But I do believe that stupid Bangaloreans like you , Sudarshan and Chintamani suck big time and give the city a bad name.
Yes I did google for Octa and Chin2 , they have been saying the same crap over and over again for what. Wanted to see who they were. What section of people do they represent. Then found out that they are two kids from IIT and IIM who think they have figured out life and since they earn a lot of money they feel superior. I still have doubts about that part though no idea where they work.
You oscillate between pseudo balanced views to xenophobic rhetoric and dont know which side you are on - Thats why you are juvenile. Make up your mind first , what do you really believe in. How much of life have you seen in these 19 years. You probably stay with your parents. Stay alone and experience a city. Interviewing famous cricketers does not make you a superlative individual.
All that you say is what I have heard in canteen and ragging sessions in the college that you study in. Making by saying these things might show a sign of your maturity , thats what you like to believe.
snigdha
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5:16 pm
@Sudarshan:-
One reason that I see why people insist on Hindi is becuase that is a language most of us understand besides English. Whether we want to speak in Hindi or not thats a different reason. But the primary reason being Hindi is understood by most people.
If we have a common language, be it any language, it will make our lives a lot easier.
Lets keep the politics out of it.
We can always try thinking in a more logical way. Agreed that with so many inflow of job seekers, the condition of the city has detoriated becuase the infrastruture was not meant to deal with such a huge number of incoming people. But here the individual is not be blamed. The goverment when welcomed all the companies to start their offices here should have also thought about the impact its going to have on the roads, traffic conditions and general well being of the city. But I dont think that was given much thought.
My 2nd point, the traffic situation is bad in Bangalore not becuase of the influx of people but becuase there is a genuine lack of public transport system. If I know what does the bus number read or which all places does this bus go I would rather take the bus and not haggle with the Auto walla. In a situation where I have to take an Auto, I should be taken to the place I want to go to and charged on meter. I think you would also agree that it is a fare expecation. Now the problem is, the locals fight with reason as to why the bus boards or road signage should be in some common language? Outsiders should better learn Kanada. But think about it, will it solve the problem? I come to a city and the 1st thing I have to worry about is getting lost and then not finding a way back home becuase people just would not speak the language that I understand. I fail to see why cant we co-exist? You learn your language, promote your language, I learn my language and be happy with it.
Unfortunately with so many languages it is difficult to reach a consesus on which language can be made a common language for communication? It can’t be English becuase not every one can read English. the only choice here left for us is Hindi becuase that is the official language for the Union and also thats a language many understand. Please note, I am talking about “understanding” whether they want to speak or not that is definitely political.
And if you really feel that outsiders should not be let in incase they dont learn the local language that way all other states will come up with their own conditions and we might as well have visa entries (restricted entries) to these states.
Kanada pride, Hindi pride, Bengali pride is all ok but is it taking us anywhere? Philosophy is all ok but it takes actions and reason based actions to solve problems. All we have been doing in this post is mud slinging, if we were a little more prudent we could have written to the state govt with ideas to curb the traffic and auto menace to make Bangalore a world class city. But we would not do that becuase typing nasty personal comments sitting in an AC office is much easier.
Sudarshan
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5:22 pm
@ 1conoclast
Dude, I am even less regional than you, if it were possible. (post 021). There were quite a few relevant arguments, but when it degenerated to defending my “perspective” by responding to queries about my age, education, I don’t see any reason to back down. There have been quite a few ‘indians’ volunteering information about their Indianness, instead of responding to sensible posts like Naveen’s and quite a few of the points put forth by me and double standards earlier. When it becomes a “Lets compare your resume with mine”, I don’t see the need to fudge mine. And I don’t blow my trumpet either. I just confirmed the details our in-house sleuth so diligently tracked.
Raj Thackeray may be going overboard. But does it necessarily mean that any statement made by him is absolute rubbish? The answer to “Why should Karnataka speak hindi” should not be “because.” There has to be some logic behind it. When that is not there, I don’t believe we have too much to talk about, except about googled details, and quiz contests.
Ram Gopal
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5:26 pm
@low standards:- Oh Really…you give escort service to cricketers? Now your age helps you in doing that.
I not from Chennai darling. No Englis no…whattodo…You were still not born no, else would have come to you to learn English and felt proud. Hai na?
Sho when can I kick the shit that you have been storing in your rectum for 19 years out…ha…uuuuuuuuu…I would stink a lot..someone fetch the Room Freshner please…*puke*
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:31 pm
@Sudarshan
Stop acting like a saint,
When you dont like what someone says you get offensive, you get personal. So dont be oh so touchy about getting revealed for who you are. Be proud of it
, go dancing with your 10 lakh savings.
But You, Chintamani and WAFDS are 3 unique breeds, young 19-24 age , pretentious ( I have a mesna certificate , I have a mensa certificate ) ( I interview circketers ) ( I use interenet for research). You talk a lot because you love to do so and once you run out of arguments you get offensive.
You guys are like TDCs in your own way. How are you any different. You have become what you most hated. I think your mutual admiration society or the holier than thou threesome ( SUDU, CHINTU and WAFFLES ) ….requires as Chmrajpet Charles would put it , One uppercut on your kidneys.
Chintamani Kurse
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5:32 pm
@MMTU: Slow clapping in progress for you.
@Snigdha: Finally a post which is free of sarcasm(???). I shall try to put my points forward for you. To make a few things clear, I have studied in a school with Hindi, and Social Studies in Hindi in Thane for the better part of my life. And hence, I dont hate Hindi or Hindi people. It is only when you have to speak in a particular language that it sucks. (I am still the same for MMTU dudette).
Matter of fact is for an autowallah here, doesn’t know hindi, he learns it so that he can survive, beyond that he is not comfortable with it.
About the infrastructure, I am not even comparing it with God’s own country, devils own people. It is bad here, unexepected growth, leads to this, the sad thing is nothing is done about it. And I am sure, by constructive(???) criticism, Jerry didn’t intend to solve Bangalore’s problems. That much I am sure. And about who votes for the government, I do. I dont care if you do or not. The public transport system is not as bad as it is made out to be. What has happened is at peak hours, most of the bmtc’s buses are taken by infosys or other such IT companies, and it is frustrating for the other people of the city. It is a problem.
Kannada pride, Hindi pride, Bengali pride is all good. I should respect my mother tongue. That is all.
Chintamani Kurse
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5:33 pm
@MMTU: your name speaks volumes about you.
Chintamani Kurse
200
5:34 pm
I would stink a lot
has one word extra
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:35 pm
Wow and we have crossed 200 comments , we can all have Champage now. Since we all contributed lets meet at someplace and celebrate. Sudu , since he is the richest will get the champagne.
Lets fix up a party place and we shall al celebrate this.
Chintamani Kurse
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5:37 pm
Done, lets meet up in hard rock cafe, barcelona!!! I assure you its good. You need help with money, MMTU?
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:39 pm
Just spoke to somebody from bellary. What a load of crap Chintamani. Stop haveing autofellatory dreams about other people.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:40 pm
No da. But you might need help with Spanish. Which I know, or do you want them to speak to you in Kannada.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:42 pm
S-p-a-n-i-s-h G-o-t-e-e-l-l-a yes try that
Chintamani Kurse
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5:43 pm
I have managed with English there, you turn up there, and about the Bellary guy, he doesn’t want you to feel bad. that’s it. Would help if you could call bellary and call someone that. Google out and find out where I was born. It was bellary.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:43 pm
No I am serious lets meet at hard rock cafe bengaluru….lets talk face to face.
We're all for Double Standards
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5:44 pm
Pretentious little thing? Wow, sounds like cool judgment.
So, I will become a mature individual with balanced views if I stop being sarcastic? And I am to trust your judgment? Right.
You want to know about balanced views? Check my previous comments out. One by one. The most sensible ones got the least reactions. So I’m juvenile?
In actuality, all you have to use against me, is age. Until I linked to my blog, nobody said anything about my age or frivolity. Is that of any surprise?
The best people I’ve known, also the oldest, would never brush anything I said as “Juvenile”. If I’d made stupid precocious statements, they would simply put me in my place with the required logic. They wouldn’t hide behind the fact that they were dinosaurs and wag their arthritic fingers at my young face.
Sudarshan and Chintamani have far more Northie friends than you, perhaps, owing to their having lived in various places. I don’t think they would have had the successes they’ve had if they were arrogant, rude bigots, which I know they are not.
So lemme see. You come here with some incomprehensible nickname(perhaps an expletive in some regional tongue). Sneak through blogger profiles and personal photographs. Judge people with no rhyme or logic.
Okay that makes you a identity-crisis-ed, vernacular, boorish, gossiping, sado masochistic loser. Am I doing the judging thing well?
Xenophobic? Pseudo Balanced? Ah, nice usage. I’m oscillating? I’ve been consistently repeating the same things I said before. And you, are repeating the words people here threw at us when they ran out of the usual arguments.
Just cos you refuse to agree that your generalisations are unfair doesn’t make US XENOPHOBIC.
You don’t know where my views stand and I’m juvenile? That makes your perceptive abilities rather retarded. Doesn’t reduce the validity of my opinions.
Really? You’ve heard these arguments in my college canteen? Funny, I only hear 4th year north Indians talking to the Kannada canteen guys in Hindi. (Who duly serve them anyway)
You need to attack my age, our backgrounds, after which, and other facts which can’t possibly taint us, to make a point? What a loser.
Chintamani Kurse
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5:44 pm
You goto spain and learn spanish!! Shouldn’t you be telling the cab drivers there,”Hindi main bol! National language hai!”
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:44 pm
Oh yeah and you are an autofellator , bloody liar…..
Chintamani Kurse
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5:45 pm
You can come to bangalore hard rock cafe on this saturday 1830 hours. I shall be in bike and barrel, residency towers, chennai then.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:45 pm
@Chin2 : So who said I was for learning Hindi….just that pricks like you irritate me.
Chintamani Kurse
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5:46 pm
Why did you let my prick irritate you?
Chintamani Kurse
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5:49 pm
How manyever times you call me a autofellator, I am not calling a bellary guy to find out what is what
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
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5:52 pm
@Chin2
I believe that people here should learn Kannada and embrace the Kannada culture. Love most of it. Love villages in interior of Kannada more than Bangalore which is still the best city in India according to me to live. No cribs about it.
Again , what I hate are pre-ten-tious people like you 3 who are not like any one I have encountered in Bangalore.
You can go to bellary and do mene mene for all I care. As I see chin2 you are sitting in Chennai.
Chintamani Kurse
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5:54 pm
@MMTU
for all the googling skills you possess, you dont possess some brains. interior of karnataka villages. Name three villages in any two districts in karnataka for me, and tell me why the place is called so. and then i shall believe you dont mmtu in bellary.
Sudarshan
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5:56 pm
Woah Snigdha is actually putting forth relevant points now!
You learn your language, promote your language, I learn my language and be happy with it.
If it were only that simple, we would not have had any problems anywhere. Europe manages very well with their diversity. Maybe we should look beyond just “We are Indians, we are one, we are in the best place on earth”. What we are seeing now in India is that one section feels entitled to travel throughout the land, demanding the others bow down before them and if they don’t speak their language, they are not “Indian”. While this can be tolerated and attributed to ignorance once or twice, this cannot go on forever. At one point of time, somebody is going to tell “Fk you. I don’t speak Hindi, and I am as Indian as you are.” Don’t to Won’t is just a little distance away. Respect is not a one-way street. Just because _you_ would like to find your way around in an foreign land does not mean you can ask the natives there to learn your language. It does not work that way. We might as well question why do we have only five fingers on each hand.
The fond wish for having a ‘common language’ would have been realized only if you lived in, say, the republic of bihar, or the republic of tamil nadu. Since that is not the case, we have to live with the fact that we have 22 national languages. “I need you to speak my language” is akin to requesting the red sea to part so you can cross, or requesting rain to go away so that little johnny can play.
Unfortunately with so many languages it is difficult to reach a consesus on which language can be made a common language for communication? It can’t be English becuase not every one can read English. the only choice here left for us is Hindi becuase that is the official language for the Union and also thats a language many understand.
So everyone can’t read English, but everyone can read Hindi.
And if you really feel that outsiders should not be let in incase they dont learn the local language that way all other states will come up with their own conditions and we might as well have visa entries (restricted entries) to these states.
Well, yeah. Just because the constitution says it is forbidden does not mean it is right. It was not handed down by the gods above, like the commandments. Maybe we should look into something like that. Why close our ears and shout nananananananana if that is a viable option? That way, people like Laloo would be forced to develop Bihar. Surely a positive, right?
We're all for Double Standards
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5:57 pm
@Snigdha,
True, many people understand Hindi. But, All don’t.
It is true that having one common language would help everybody’s issues. But the thing is, there are people that don’t understand the language, in this case, Hindi. Like the average auto driver. A lot of them know Tamil/Telugu/Malayalam because they have sources to learn from. There is no such fool-proof source for Hindi in the south. So you can’t hold it against someone if s/he can’t speak the language.
BUT OMG in southern India, you can’t even communicate that you are dying and u need help. You can keep talking to them in Hindi, english or whatever language you know but all they would do is stare at you like they are looking at a muted television
Picture this:
Sanjyukta, with a grave expression, quietly: “Mein Mar rahi hoon”
Non-Kannada-speaking/understanding person- “Aaa?”
This, I think, is terribly unfair. Bangaloreans try to help, most times. I’m not saying there aren’t any crooks but then…
Bangalore,on the whole, is as good or bad as any other city in India.
Imagine going to Delhi and talking to someone in Tamil or Kannada. They won’t respond simply because they don’t understand. (I know Hindi is more widely spoken than Tamil, but Hindi is to some Southies, what Tamil is to some Northies). I wouldn’t call Delhiites bigots if they didn’t understand/communicate in my language.
Ram Gopal
219
6:00 pm
Oye Chinte oye bas kar…itna mat bhowk…kaan dukh gay hai
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
220
6:02 pm
@WAFFLES
Okay that makes you a identity-crisis-ed, vernacular, boorish, gossiping, sado masochistic loser. Am I doing the judging thing well?
identity-crisis-ed - hmm yess
vernacular - why? and why are you not vernacular ?
boorish - whatever turns you on
gossiping - googling missy not gossiping
masochistic loser - No , its who who seems to be going on beating your chest about this Hindi Hindi thing. I dont care. Speak in Kannada, hell speak in Tagalog for all I care. I communicate very well in Karnataka am pretty happy here. Cause yourself the pain, alienate your non kannada friends. you are hurting yourself.
snigdha
221
6:07 pm
@sudarshan and Double standards:- again going back to the same ranting..again and again and again and again….that proves every one’s point that there are just idiots out there who are arguing just for the heck of it….anyway…stay happy in your world that you have created for yourself. Thank God you are not near our vicinity and exist (for us) only virtually.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
222
6:10 pm
Have you been to Kateel in Dakshina kannada …
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
223
6:11 pm
Or Gonikoppal in Kodagu
1conoclast
224
6:12 pm
Sudarshan…
There you go getting personal again. Can’t you just put a point forward & stop at that? As Double Standards is suggesting has been happening all along.
This is a pointless argument & smacks of the same regionalism that makes me wonder whether or not we should be proud of our Unity in Diversity at all…!
Drop it, for God’s sake. Step away when it gets too mucky. You’ve heard that one about wrestling with a pig haven’t you?
We're all for Double Standards
225
6:12 pm
Sigh. Bye.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
226
6:13 pm
Please dont ask me to prove it to you you manure head.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
227
6:14 pm
Or sakleshpur in hassan
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
228
6:15 pm
Now name 3 villages in 3 districs of tamil nadu
Sudarshan
229
6:15 pm
Yeah. Claiming that not everybody speaks Hindi is ranting. Claiming that “Bangalore,on the whole, is as good or bad as any other city in India” is ranting. Claiming that the constitution is not a divine commandment is ranting. In fact, claiming that we are Indian, regardless of our fluency in Hindi, is ranting. And *we* are the ones living in an imaginary land. I wonder how the real world is, then. Do we all speak Hindi there? Was the constitution the product of a divine churning exercise? Please snap us into reality.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin
230
6:17 pm
Am out of here
Sudarshan
231
6:25 pm
This is a pointless argument & smacks of the same regionalism that makes me wonder whether or not we should be proud of our Unity in Diversity at all…!
How is “Karnataka ought to speak Hindi” unifying, but “Karnataka doesn’t speak Hindi” regionalistic?
chacko
232
7:12 pm
Why are we doing this? Here are some of my views on this topic,
I took French in school over Hindi.
Bangalore and Karnataka is a part of my country just as Srinagar and Alleppy. Knowing Hindi is not a plus or minus.
I don’t like to be refered to or called an outsider anywhere in India.
Sudarshan
233
7:20 pm
IMO, if only we had more of you and less of the “Hindi mein bolo” types or the “My-hometown-is-way-better-than-this-shithole-I-am-staying-in” types or the “I-am-developing-your-city-so-bow-before-me” types, we would not have had any issue at all, and there would have been no “Then-go-back” type responses.
chacko
234
7:25 pm
There is a reason why this blog is not in Hindi, Kanada, Tamil or Malayalam.
Sudarshan
235
7:28 pm
Autodrivers don’t read too many blogs.
Everybody is fine with English in the online world.
Naveen
236
7:41 pm
I don’t check this thread for a day and we’ve some 100 odd comments, mostly flaming and counter-flaming. People, you may disagree with someone but please avoid getting personal. Applies to both sides of this debate.
Until we recognize that you can’t enforce uniformity in language, culture or religion across a country like India, and stop measuring “Indianness” by similarity as opposed to dissimilarity, we’ll keep hearing the same debates. This is not the first and won’t be the last.
Mutiny eds, I expected a better filter to the post compared to the standards of Mutiny but am disappointed.
1conoclast
237
7:43 pm
Sudarshan,
Jerry’s post doesn’t say anything about speaking in Hindi.
Your taking umbrage, smacks of a defensiveness that a truly global citizen (that you’ve claimed to be) wouldn’t be afflicted with.
What I’m saying (again) is that we should rise above these regional attitudes. Whether they’re in Bengal, Maharashtra or Karnataka. Once we’re above it, all this won’t take up so much of our productive time.
For instance, my Grandfather was a very famous Urdu poet & scholar. I don’t decry the loss of Urdu in my home state. Nor do I clamour for it’s use in my house. I don’t decry English being the language of the house. It’s not that Urdu or Urdu poetry will die out if I speak in another language. Someone else will speak & write it. For instance my uncle has picked up the poetry baton.
Kannada will survive without you defending it here. And without it being made mandatory. So chill.
1conoclast
238
7:49 pm
Ram Gopal…
Did you write your last comment knowing that Double Standards is a lady…?
If so, you are the scum of the Earth. That doesn’t mean that all your arguments related to this post before this have to be rubbished as well. This last comment of yours however is TERRIBLE to say the least!
1conoclast
239
7:59 pm
Another thing…
Would all of you fight with the same vigour as you have in this forum, on a post that is defending Gandhiji’s killer? Do you feel as passionately about the Nation, about the Father of the Nation?
I didn’t see you fight for Indian unity on Ujj’s post criticising raj thakerey.
I didn’t see you step into any of the other posts that brought to light the communal dangers that India faces.
Does this not mean only one thing: That you care more for your state, your language, your region than you do for country, morals, ethics etc?
Does it not mean that the only issues that matter to you are the ones that affect the small locality where you were born/stay?
This is a very disappointing generation. I for one don’t believe that India’s future is very bright if it lies in their hands!
Sudarshan
240
8:02 pm
@ 1conoclast
Jerry’s post doesn’t, but the comments do. “Why don’t you guys speak hindi?” is most definitely the central theme. I do have problems with people who speak Hindi being somehow assumed superior to the people who speak the other languages, when the constitution states that everybody has the right to speak in his language. We ought to rise above the regional attitudes, but respect is a two way street. Some people don’t realize that, and seem to be facing problems adjusting. I have no problems in adjusting, however. Not relevant, but fyi…
Sudarshan
241
8:15 pm
Different people have different priorities. For some, it is the constitution. For some, it is the nation. For some, it is caste. For some, it is religion. Race, Color, Gender. If we all thought alike, we’d not be human any more.
Would all of you fight with the same vigour as you have in this forum, on a post that is defending Gandhiji’s killer? Do you feel as passionately about the Nation, about the Father of the Nation?
I didn’t see you fight for Indian unity on Ujj’s post criticising raj thakerey.
I didn’t see you step into any of the other posts that brought to light the communal dangers that India faces.
I don’t check all the posts in Mutiny that often. And I do feel strongly about people claiming they are from heaven and why bangalore doesn’t deserve their company. I can’t fake an interest in things I don’t care about as much. I really can’t. Can’t help it. That would be like asking me to grow a sixth finger in each hand. A few points I had mentioned about the blog are in point 008, pointing out why I had issues with the blog in the first place.
Does it not mean that the only issues that matter to you are the ones that affect the small locality where you were born/stay?
I am more worried about fuel prices, food shortage and global warming than I am about Arushi’s murder story or the BJP MLA’s wife’s suicide tale, which seems to be a national issue now. “Small locality” is just a matter of definition.
SimplyMalayalee
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8:22 pm
@ Sanjukta
Why is that any south Indian can learn other languages (to both read and speak) faster than anyone coming from south i.e; beyond and from madhya pradesh?
Use ur brains once a while and put in some hard work.
I am waiting for a kannada and malayalam version of this discussion to keep the “South-is-not-good” types away :-)) LOL
1conoclast
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9:25 pm
Sudarshan…
Strange how you quote the constitution in one comment & leave it out of your list of priorities in your very next comment. Would you not defend the very thing that gives you the license you’re arguing?
Another thing… People are largely known by what their tastes are, by what causes they espouse. The choice is yours.
sanjukta
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9:57 pm
Somebody please inform Mr. Sudarshan that Elvis have long left the building.
We're all for Double Standards
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10:12 pm
In my defense, I almost never get personal. Not unless I’m provoked.
When the scumbags started spreading their dirt as that was the only way they presumed someone of the other gender would shut up, I saw it right to reciprocate.
Does it not mean that the only issues that matter to you are the ones that affect the small locality where you were born/stay?
With all due respect to people that research their posts here better, or have more tangible facts to back their answers up with, after this post and a few others, I don’t entirely trust a lot of stuff on Mutiny are worth the effort reading and replying to. That will only result in more nitpicking. I will move on and read now, however.
PS-This post retains interest for the mistakes it reinforces(on both sides). Besides, its been excellent entertainment.
Seema
246
2:11 am
@Sudarshan : “Every comment of mine also has something for Jerry too. Can I buy him some cheese, someday?”
- May be you want some fish in return tommy boy.
“And about your intentional comment, you are the goddess of subtlety. Maybe you can consider standup comedy as a career.”
- Good Idea, May be we can team up because you amuse people a lot ..In fact more than me.
“Thanks for your friendly advise. I am happy with where my ego has got me.”
- Yeah, made you an arrogant brat.
“Maybe you could consider growing a mustache. That way you could earn more. Many research reports talk about a wage gap, you know”
- Fortunately don’t have to grow one cos’ i am a girl. Don’t need to earn more.. I am happy with my dollars and contributing to my country’s FOREX to a great extent. I don’t think people like you even pay your regular taxes.
Maybe you can grow a moustache once you are out of puberty. Err oops sorry only possible if you are a “guy”
“By the way, you don’t seem to know what a TDC is”.
- may be you know it better, cos you googled it, right?.
Don’t mess around with me personally buddy, you will get burnt. Talk about your opinions and be ready to take criticisms but not at a personal level
I generally don’t argue with punks like you but you are becoming a source of entertainment for most of us.
@Simplymalayalee: I am a malayalee too but let me tell you, there are many malayalees out there who don’t know a single word of malayalam ( to speak or write) why is it that they can’t learn their own mother tongue. Ever questioned them? or does it mean that they don’t use their brains much?
@ vinayak: Totally agree with you. Lets stop this.
Sudarshan
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12:34 pm
May be you want some fish in return tommy boy.
No thanks. If you didn’t get it, I was referring to Jerry as Jerry Mouse.
Good Idea, May be we can team up because you amuse people a lot ..In fact more than me.
Good. I’ll take care of the wit part. You be my bumbling sidekick. Just be yourself.
Yeah, made you an arrogant brat.
ok
Fortunately don’t have to grow one cos’ i am a girl. Don’t need to earn more.
You are a feminist’s dream come true. That was just friendly advise on how to reach greater heights than the ones you already scaled, just like the unsolicited one you were giving me. Again, as you don’t “catch the drift”, read what I wrote, slowly this time. You asked me to keep my ego down, I *tried* to convey that that is about as possible as you growing a mustache. Y’know, because you are female, and women can’t/don’t grow mustaches (Generally). And I don’t mean this as a challenge or anything. Don’t start shaving to show me what you are capable of (I don’t care). I really hope this is crystal clear now.
I am happy with my dollars and contributing to my country’s FOREX to a great extent.
So unique. Maybe they see your dollars and go… “Hey look, these are Seemadollars. Let’s put these to good use, unlike the normal dollars that we just throw away”. My dollars are not contributing to forex at all. They just use it to fill up their pockets for when they go shopping abroad.
I don’t think people like you even pay your regular taxes.
You don’t think. Period.
You know me inside out. And we only just met! Wow. Google probably publishes tax records online too. Do I send you a scanned copy of my returns, signed, and in triplicate?
Maybe you can grow a moustache once you are out of puberty. Err oops sorry only possible if you are a “guy”
So you have attested certifications for those too. Its wonderful, how you are psychic and all. You should have been on the streets, holding a board “The End Is Near. Repent, all you sinners”. Because you seem to know just about everything there is to know.
may be you know it better, cos you googled it, right?
No, because I have seen them first hand.
Don’t mess around with me personally buddy, you will get burnt.
You - Shaded ten watt bulb. Me - Six feet away. Do the math.
Talk about your opinions and be ready to take criticisms but not at a personal level
What about personal level criticisms (masquerading as opinions: Kids, ice cream, smitten – very valuable opinions I should say) by 70 year olds (who have seen it all)?
I generally don’t argue with punks like you but you are becoming a source of entertainment for most of us.
The TV is a source of entertainment for most of us. So I guess you keep shouting at whatever show you watch. “Obama, you punk! Let Hillary win or else!!!”
Sudarshan
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12:39 pm
@ 1conoclast
The constitution is pretty good, but it is NOT perfect. Just because one part of the constitution is good does not mean I defend the whole constitution as is. Chanakya neeti is a brilliant book, and many principles mentioned there are amazing in their simplicity and relevance. That does not mean that all the principles there are right, in today’s world. So we neither throw the book out of the window, nor do we claim it is always right.The American first amendment is better than this constitution’s laws on speech and religion. But I digress.
Many of the amendments done to our constitution are because notions in it are outdated. After all, even the constitution is not immune to aging. However, fraud democracy that India is, there is no debate on the true sense of the word about whether the clauses are still relevant or not, thanks to votebank politics and pressure groups. So, its time we grew up.
And yeah, somebody please inform Sanjukta that Elvis is/was singular.
Lets check out the other articles in Mutiny now. The comments in the MTV youngistan posts are amazing. Shows the direction India is moving towards, and lets us feel the pulse of the juvenile youth. Hats off!
1conoclast
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2:03 pm
Sudarshan…
Digress you did. And not just once.
You are arguing for argument’s sake. Like Sanju said, Elvis has long left the bldg.
So long then.
Sudarshan
250
2:31 pm
Guilty as charged, often though not out of choice.
Sanju forgot that elvis left the bldg after comment 119.
Cya.
sanjukta
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6:14 pm
@Sudarshan,
This is beyond and besides this present thread, call me whatever you may, whore, bitch, bastard, TDC, illegal immigrant from Bangladesh but request you to not call me Sanju ever. Ever… that is a call I reserve for friends and I just can’t take it that you of all the people would address me as Sanju. Trust me I was much happy with TDC. This is not an argument but a request.
Actually 1con you shouldn’t have referred to me as Sanju in public, but not your fault how would you know….
Sudarshan
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7:04 pm
*yawn* Elvis is dead.
SanYu (thanks to my twisted southie tongue, this definitely does not refer to you), thanks for all the freedom given to call you all the nice labels, but TDC is about all I know you are. I have (thankfully) not known you long enough or personally to affix the other labels on you. While you are at it, please tell your friends I am not Sudi, and Chintamani is not Chin2. This is also not an argument but a request.
Seema
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8:21 pm
@Sudarshan: LOL Thanks for all your comments. Hence proved that you are a KID. By the way Tom is a cat who loves Fish and Jerry..So sorry I should have explained since your IQ is so ????. Also love the idea of SeemaDollars!
Nikhil
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1:26 am
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