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Feb122008
Why Raj Thackrey Sucks more
Update: Since the comments on this post were becoming extremely disturbing for a lot of people, the author has disabled the comments on this post. The post was supposed to be a discussion on the actions of a young politician, instead it turned into a debate of who is better and who needs who. Mutiny does not consider itself to be a forum for such debates.
Also a humble request from the author, kindly refrain from sending him any more hate mails.
He sucks more than other leaders of his league because he belongs to our generation. He was born in a liberal country and has seen very little prejudice, especially in the city where he was raised. He was educated with people like us, in schools like ours with people of different religions and regions. He has come of age hearing about the expectations of the whole country from his generation. He took the odd step and came into politics and made our generation proud, only to disappoint in a moment.
I remember a time, not so long back, when we were excited about the political scene sans the Sanghs, the filthy criminal politicians, the goon raj and all the self proclaimed moral policing organizations. I remember watching YUVA and how correct it seemed and how, first time in my life, I wanted to believe in a Bollywood flick. I remember a college debate in which one of the participants talked about how five years from then, most or all of the politicians would be either dead or too old to talk and how a young breed of leaders (not politicians) would skyrocket country’s development. In one blow, all that is a goner.
He has single handedly taken all our misconceptions of seeing an India, led by virtuous young breed of pro-development leaders. He has proved once again that doing away with secularism is a small price that leaders today and prospective leaders of tomorrow are ready to pay to stay in power. He has proudly burst our bubble of the image of an India free from caste, religion and regional politics. Neenaz Ichaporia of IBN Blogs says it all
“What Mumbaikars prize more than anything else about their city, is the ability to step out at any hour, unmolested, and roam the city unharmed……
…Thackeray and his MNS goons have chipped away at that confidence.”
In fact I am not sure whether we should burn him at the stake or thank him, for he has indeed opened our eyes to the fact that young or not, politicians are politicians and they will never change. My faith in the next generation leaders is FUBARed and I am not sure if Ill be trusting these young-uns anymore, but is it not a lesson we should have learned long back? The youngest country of the world could so easily be led by world’s youngest imbeciles.
News of more unrest from Nashik.
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chacko
001
4:34 pm
He is a nut. By his logic Rajnikanth and every other 'Marati' should return back to Maharashtra. Why isn't he arrested yet? Can you just beat up people at random and get away with it?
sameer
002
4:47 pm
It is absolutely absurd on people's part to blame raj for whatever has happened in last couple of weeks. There was a vast difference between what he actually said and what it was made out to be. Monsters like amar singh (this rascal hAs no other work) and abu azmi (dawood's buddy) are the real trouble makers as history has shown. Hindi and English media needed an issue to pounce on so they got one. People from other states haven't seen the influx mumbai has seen so they have no right to raise the issue. World knows that Indian states have been bifurcated on linguistic basis and so these issues are bound to crop up every now and then. Why dont people blame mayawati and lalu who havent done anything for their state and hence they are coming to cities like mumbai and creating pressure on already fragile infrastructure. SO PLEASE STOP THIS VERBAL DIARHEA!!!!
| Balu |
003
4:49 pm
If the political race needs to improve, we need purify the minds of Indian voters first.. Because people don't vote for 'politicians' here in India.. people vote for the ideology/family/ religion/ caste they represent…. Until people start voting people righteously there will never be great leaders in India!
There will only be politicians who know what card to play when and against whom!
| Balu |
004
5:31 pm
The issue is not with the youth or the politicians in the country.. good politicians (those who don't try to divide society on basis of caste/ religion/ regionalism/ language etc or depend o family name) are never elected.. As a matter of fact in India people don't vote for politicians… they vote for the ideologies their party stands for! Look at America… there is Obama and Hillary both from the same party fighting against each other.. What a person can do, is given priority over what the party can do.. that way the politician is held responsible if a politician does not keep up the promise.. Indian votes need to grow up
Jay
005
5:40 pm
Interesting perspective which I agree.I think Raj Thackrey is trying to get cheap publicity. He has already achieved what he wanted out of this issue. Someone who was unknown outside Mumbai-Pune region till yesterday is now known across India..! Who is Raj Thackrey by the way? What positive has he done for society? I am in Pune for over 6 years and the only time I hear about him is when he proudly does nuisance in Mumbai/Pune. I think in such situations, state and/or center government should take stringent action and set example. Unfortunately, this has never happened before resulting is many communal riots every year. Raj Thackrey is on track of his predecessors. Be ready for a long nuisance Raj innings.
Jay
006
5:42 pm
Interesting perspective which I agree.
I think Raj Thackrey is trying to get cheap publicity. He has already achieved what he wanted out of this issue. Someone who was unknown outside Mumbai-Pune region till yesterday is now known across India..!
Who is Raj Thackrey by the way? What positive has he done for society? I am in Pune for over 6 years and the only time I hear about him is when he proudly does nuisance in Mumbai/Pune. I think in such situations, state and/or center government should take stringent action and set example. Unfortunately, this has never happened before resulting is many communal riots every year. Raj Thackrey is on track of his predecessors.
Be ready for a long nuisance Raj innings.
Pranav
007
7:53 pm
Dude, that's exactly what Raj is trying to do to mumbai, keep mumbaikars safe. You, probably are not from bombay, those of us who live here know how unsafe the city has become since the sudden mass immigration of culturally foregin people to this city.
The people who migrate here do it with one goal, to make money to send back home. They don't come here with their families, and live with 10 other bhaiyyas in a jhopadpatti and work on the streets. That's fine. But foreigners of the same country also tend to be .. rather shameless, without much respect for the law. These people are exactly the ones responsible for the many molestations and thefts and murders that have increased in the city at such never-seen-before rates. Mumbaikars are NOT safe anymore, and it's because people who run the back bone mumbai aren't mumbaikars, they don't wan't to be mumbaikars. These are your dhobi, your sabziwalla, your chaiwalla, your peon, your bai, the rickshaw walla, the taxicab driver, etc. They belong to their "gaon" and yet rule mumbai's streets. Mumbai's culture is dead, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. it's a city without a soul. and it's because some people (read: polititians) don't want their own lands to prosper at all, as far as the people of their lands, they can go live, cheat and rape in bombay, and come back "home" to an 18th century bihar/UP.
What Raj is doing, is simply a desperate attempt to save bombay's long-dead soul. It won't happen, they already killed Bombay.
BTW, I'm not marathi - just a mumbaikar, albeit, one who was born and grew up here and has witnessed the city die.
atluri
008
9:56 pm
man,
i have an idea……let's buy the big super jumbo Boeing and tell ALL 'these' stupid politicians that they need to go and see Malaysia to see how development happens. Well thats wht we tell them.
Since the Boeing is ours, lets crash that jumbo stupid thing into the Arabian Sea. A costly but effective solution.
Then Ujj and me can contest for elections…..;)
Ujj
009
9:39 am
@Pranav: I am sure you know what raj is trying to do is definitely not an attempt to make Mumbai a better place to live.
If non Mumbaikars living in Mumbai do not respect the law of the land, then they must be dealt with like any other criminal, not by assaults by other citizens.
I am not a Marathi but a good part of my family has been living in Mumbai since the last thirty years and they pounce upon me whenever I say that the traffic in Mumbai sucks. Anybody whose been living in the city for a while, falls in love with it. This love is what brings a trust between people of diverse cultural backgrounds. Thackrey and his goons have broken this trust.
singh
010
3:34 pm
Dear,Friend
In recent 1st anniversary function, Raj Thakre said to Bihari migrant “Behave
correctly
Sandy
011
6:43 pm
When I see someone supporting Raj Thakre, I see a loser who thinks that the situation could have been better had there been only Marathis in Mumbai. I am sure many losers will react to my comment but they need to read their minds. Does Raj Thakre ask all the Marathis outside Maharashtra to come back. You welcome employers from all around the world but the employees coming from other parts of the country will not work. If Mumbai is becoming unsafe, you have different problem to fix. The cause of local train blasts is not people coming from north, it is that someone out there is envious of the prosperity in Mumbai.
Crime on Mumbai roads does not justify looting shops in Nasik. Beatings and lootings in Maharashtra makes them worse than the illustrated criminal north Indian.
siddhesh
012
11:18 pm
if we can see from rajs point of view then we could understand his feelings,you will know how it fells when outsiders forcibly resides your home and acquire it, Amar singh and abu azmi annnouces rally not for the welfare of north indians but only to showoff their powers in mumbai considering more then 50 lac north indians nothing else. And if they both are really concious about north indians then WHY DON'T THEY PUT THEIR EFFORTS TOGETHER FOR DEVELOPEMENTS OF NORTH INDIANS.
aB
013
2:00 am
Raj and his men have taken up the cause to save Mumbai from the 'Goondagardhi' of UP and Bhiari 'bhaiyaas' by themselves becoming Goons. I guess Raj is no different from any other so-called 'bhaiya' community whom he is targeting.
Its so very sad to see many a people supporting MNS and its likes.
Sandy
014
1:47 pm
I agree that Amar Singh and Abu Azmi are doing politics. They together with Mulayam Singh are shit. They are the real terrorists. When there is a division based on a cause (currently Marathis and non-Marathis) then the people on other group (non-Marathis) are confused to be the same.
I support that UP/Bihar guys punished if they do something unacceptable. Why only that … if Marathis doing something bad … then they should also be punished. This should be done not only in Maharshtra but everywhere else. Should we leave a criminal bhayya if he is in UP? … NO. If they feel that there is crime out there … they should fix it … not go out committing more crime by looting shops and beating simple/law-abiding people. NMS is not doing any better to Maharashtra than a criminal bhayya coming from UP/Bihar.
2S
015
2:09 pm
@Sandy - they really are doing politics, in more ways than one.
madhav katole
016
5:43 pm
mee raj sahebala nimntrit karatoki mala pan tumacha m.n.s.madhyae ghya.
Pranav
017
6:08 pm
kashala, madhav. Kaay karnaar tu mns madhe jaaon.
Pranav
018
6:19 pm
@Ujj You said:
What if the ruling party, in a bid to gather votes from immigrants, adjusts the law of the land in their favor, and against those who have been living here for generations.? That is what is happening, and if you talk to those of your family who have been living here for decades, they’ll tell you that what is happening isn’t quite a good thing.
Yes, what Raj is doing is bad - it’s politically motivated too. but he has a strong point. people ARE frustrated because of immigrants’ attitudes and their unwillingness to become a part the city by adopting it’s culture.
Sandy
019
7:28 pm
@Pranav
What do you mean by culture? How can you expect a person coming from other state start speaking Marathi as soon as he lands in Maharashtra and start liking vada-pav instead of aloo-paratha? The terms you are using are overloaded and can be interpreted in any sense. Even within Maharashtra Konkan and Vidharbha culture are different. All that should be expected from people from other states is follow the law. Why should a person abandon his original culture? What is wrong with North-Indian culture? It is not drastically different from Maharashtrian culture. And asking on the similar lines … do you ask Marathis going outside the states to speak in Tamil if they are in Chennai and follow their culture. Do you all of a sudden start feeling that you should abandon your original culture and adopt the new one. These are just excuses to commit crime and not focus of real issues.
2S
020
7:44 pm
@Pranav - tumchya kaade english madhein bolnaare lok nahi aahate ka?
Pranav
021
9:41 pm
There is a difference, Sandy, when we talk about the culture of a metropolitan city and that of a state that the city resides in.
Personally, I am a strong advocate for turning the city into an independently administered region/state, bal thakrey won’t let that happen in his lifetime. but that’s my opinion nonetheless.
By “culture”, Sandy, I mean a lot of things.
1. Don’t rape our women
2. Drive your vehicles according to traffic rules
3. Respect your customers if you run a business.
4. Don’t act as if you own the city by spitting paan juices in the middle of streets and inside my office building.
5. Don’t build more slums.
6. Don’t lobby to have your new slums legalized.
7. Give back to the city. Indulge in economic activity here. Instead of depriving yourself of any luxury (for example living with 11 other people in a 200 sqft slum) here and building mansions back home in your gaon.
8. Treat bombay as your home, not just your work-place.
9. Did I mention don’t molest, murder and steal. yeah. okay.
So .. I’ll await your reply on that, sandy and other liberal/communists here.
Pranav
022
9:47 pm
Besides, I am not marathi myself. I don’t speak the language very well either. that however, will not make me a non-bombayite/mumbaikar. The things I mentioned about do put some people outside the periphery of Bombay’s culture. be they bhaiyyas or marathis.
Pranav
023
9:49 pm
@2S asse lok khoop rarely midtat ho. Malla sagdikade fakta ghati aani bhaiyya loka distaat ikade.
2S
024
10:03 pm
@Pranav - stick to english, please.
siddhesh
025
11:06 pm
hi sandy,
Raj is not saying to abandon once culture but only he expects is to respect the culture of the place one resides in.And where maharastrians are concerned their are much less numbers of marathi population staying outside maharashtra and where they stays they follow culture of that place,have we ever heard of disrespecting culture by maharastrains outside maharashtra.They behave well their.
And where north indians are concerned you must be knowing how these people are staying and behaving in public.If you will look around more then half slums are being raised by these migrants and expects maharashtra goverment for rehabilitation.Why should goverment rehabilitate them on contrary these migrants are making city more worse day by day by allowing more migrants dispite of nearly half UP population in here.
1conoclast
026
11:09 pm
Pranav…
From one Bombayite to another…
I may be totally misunderstanding your comment, but…
Is point # 1 suggesting that migrant labour rapes Bombay women? I hope you’re not saying that!!! Because sunil more is still fresh in my mind. As is the fact that MNS guys were part of the molesting crowd at Juhu this New Year…
Sandy
027
1:26 am
@Pranav
Man do not insult me … call me terrorist but not communist. I could not wait to write the full reply (yet to come)
Sandy
028
1:47 am
@Pranesh and Pranav
You completely misunderstood my point. First of all I do not consider the points given by Pranav under culture … I thought that culture comes after one is human. Some of the points Pranav listed deprive the one from being called a human. Serious punishment for that.
But again … your comments make me feel that you guys are too biased on the issue. Pranav seems to be justifying looting of shops by saying “respect your customers”. No shopkeeper can afford to misbehave with customers. Your points look very shallow … you just listed some gibberish. If someone rapes your women … buddy you should kill them brutally instead of waiting till Raj Thakre mobilizes his henchmen.
But what about an average North India going to his office and beaten by MNS followers.
Pranav
029
3:06 am
@1conoclast
If you have been following the news about the various local train, etc incidents over the past few years, you know what I mean.
@Sandy
I am not justifying anything. If you read my earlier posts carefully, you’ll see that I have called thakrey as much of a non-mumbikar as the people he is against.
Don’t feel too bad about the communist thingy - I call both obama and hillary potentially communists. every liberal is a potential communist. Every communist is a former liberal.
Things need to be fixed. Yes. My only point in this entire commenting spree is that Raj wouldn’t have tried gain political momentum for the whole bhaiyya issue if it was a non-issue in the first place. He obviously has some support because the whole thing has some element of truth in it.
Here’s my solution to the problem:. have the politicians somehow stop using immigrant-appeasement policies as an easy vote-bank. it is because of this they easily bypass the law and have their egos inflated sky high (which again further motivates them to bypass the law).
If we have a consensus on this, maybe we can come up with a way to implement the solution.
@2S:
j/k
heh, why did that sound more like: “When in maharashtra, speak marathi”?
Pranav
030
3:07 am
Adding to that little list of gibberish:
10. Keep your kidnaping businesses to your own respective states, eh?
2S
031
7:07 pm
@Pranav - precisely my point, when on Mutiny, speak English!
1conoclast
032
9:53 pm
Pranav,
Don’t know what you mean. Don’t understand Marathi & don’t seem to understand your English…
Champ
033
4:23 pm
“Raj Thackrey”– DON or a supporter — honest or politician –good or bad– doing wise or behaving badly — no one can predict . This problem will not have any solution.If Raj thackrey would not have done this then some one other would have done that . If he is doing this for cheap publicity then this is the worst thing o humanity but if he is really doing all these things or raising points to save mumbai from being called as biggest crowded city then he might not be completely blamed.
Problem belongs to 18th century , INDIAN POLITICAL SYSTEM is a problem.
In INDIA development is random , firstly this area then other and then other . Can’t in INDIA development can be linear in all the states.
What mumbai is having that bihar or up is not having?
System need to understand this problem. Why we call bihar people as cheap people , is fault is with them or their govt who is not able to produce good resources of income which makes people to shift to these big cities and giving a chance to RAJ THACKREY to raise his voice.
This is still a political game and as usual we are viewers.
Neithr we can stop RAJ thackrey from doing all these bullshets nor we can change our fucking political system.
Atul
034
2:08 pm
I feel the motive is correct…
I was born in this city so did my parents…
I pay tax from my hard earned money just like my parents did (just like u guys n ur parents) … for the growth of this city…Streets… Highways… Roads…Public conveniences.
But where is the convenience??
Have a look at the trains…buses…streets …
They are full of these bhiyaas…scr*wing these resources… day & night…
Steal lights for the slums. Travel ticket less in trains…
Sucks the juice out of the city …Earn here… Don’t pay taxes … don’t contribute by any means to the growth or well being of this city send all money back to jaunpur … to raju bhiyaa & family …
They don’t pay the taxes neither did their parents … plus add to the dirt…
But they use all these facilities… rather misuse the facilities
Create slums… talk as if they own the city…
There is no place to walk… Public bridges are full of these bhiyaas selling fruits…veggies…
Have a look at the city … look at what people are going through…
If you have little bit of shame left… little bit of love left for the city in your heart…
Little bit of respect for the people who have given this city their time & money to get it this far…
Never say what Raj did was wrong… they way he did it may not be ethically correct… but desperate time need desperate measures …
Ujj
035
2:43 pm
@Atul : “they way he did it may not be ethically correct… but desperate time need desperate measures …”
so according to you what Hitler did was also, though ethically incorrect, correct?
chacko
036
4:30 pm
Atul - do you mean to say that only those who pay taxes can live in the city? Do you think Mumbai can surive without cheap labour?
Pranav
037
4:33 pm
Ahhh! Great to see this discussion alive and kicking, once again!
Pranav
038
4:41 pm
@chacko, before the great migration, mumbai used to have it’s very own cheap labor, which was replaced by the migrants over the past decade.
chacko
039
5:28 pm
@Pranav. What’s wrong with that? Migrant labour will go wherever they can find work.
Pranav
040
5:35 pm
@chacko, Nothing.
1conoclast
041
5:49 pm
Atul,
Have you read “Ravan & Eddie” by Kiran Nagarkar, himself a Maharashtrian Bombayite? It has numerous instances of chawl dwelling Marathi folk, living in the conditions you call dirty.
Are you suggesting that Maharashtrians don’t live in slums? Don’t steal electricity?
Are you saying that the disgusting tabacco chewing habit that most lower SEC Marathis have isn’t respnsible for the dirty streets & stained walls in Bombay?
I recently heard someone say, that after the recent exodus of North Indians (our bade & chote bhaiyas), there are some 10,000 jobs available in Bombay, but there are no takers! Where are the Maharashtrians now??? Don’t they want work?
AFter the Mill system collapsed in Bombay, there were thousands of Marathi folk laid off. Do you know what they did? Did they find other jobs? Drive taxis? No! They sat home, lived off their wives earnings, beat them & snatched their earnings for their evening dose of “narangi”!
My local cigarette shop owner is a Gujarati. He used to run a restaurant some years back. I asked him why he closed it & he told me that his Marathi workers were the worst workers he had ever seen. Indisciplined, lazy, rowdy, into alcohol & cheap prostitution. In comparision he said, the UP-ites were quiet, dedicated workers.
Are you suggesting that Bombay was built by the Maharashtrians? Actually is you see, the Marathis have no contribution in building or running Bombay. The business community has been Gujju-Sindhi-Punju-Parsi. The milk, veggie & auto-taxi business was run by the bhaiyas. The restaurants by the Udipi Mangaloreans.
Such a bloody pity that we’re dictated to by our concept of peace. I wish someone kicks their stinking arses into the Arabian Sea! Even there it’s the bhaiyas & the South Indians doing business. What do these Maharashtrians do???
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Pranav’s happy that he finally found someone of his kind! I am on the other hand horrified at the defilement of my temple!!!
Pranav
042
6:35 pm
@ 1conoclast, the kind of marathis you describe here,
These were the same as bhaiyyas of today, only back in my childhood, they were called “ghatis”
Back then, a ghati was what a bhaiyya is today.
It’s funny how one people replaces another, only to be exactly like (or worse) than the one being replaced.
You know, we actually have this whole bhaiyya issue because as you said, the marathi worker “sat at home!” kaamchors.
Pranav
043
6:41 pm
Ban me if I’m being racist and if that’s against mutiny’s policy. But the only difference between ghatis and bhiyyas in the end is. The unbearable smell of “sarsaon ka tel”. and when they talk with each other - the kind of un-friendlyness in language. Not their fault, that’s how their language is built. like german or something.
I’ll vote for ghatis over bhaiyyas any day. If only for these two reasons.
1conoclast
044
6:50 pm
Pranav,
There’s been no replacement. They’re still the same. The difference is that no one hates them. While they seem to be hate-filled for the others.
As for language, I think that the Avadhi, Bhojpuri & Maithili dialects are very cute & funny. They score over the kind of Marathi you get to hear in interior Maharashtra anyday!
Somebody did mention recently: How is it that we’ve had innumerable bhaiya PM’s & no “ghati” (as Pranav calls them) PM’s yet? Maybe because they can’t seem to think of the nation as a whole? I’m happy. May they never succeed!
Pranav
045
6:57 pm
you seem to be hate filled for ghatis now, 1conoclast. Being retro?
looking back at your comment, however. Ever notice how “Maharashtra” is the only state in india that calls it self a “Rashtra”(translated as Nation).?
The PM thing, of course, is because of the sheer population of Hindi speaking people throughout india (except tamil nadu, of course). A “popular” PM can only be a hindi speaking person.
1conoclast
046
7:25 pm
Pranav,
It’s your way of looking at it that is to blame. My previous comment was to illustrate that Atul’s accusations were misdirected at our bhaiyas only! The rest of it were opinions that Bombayites hold about the Marathis, opinions that they haven’t done anything to dispel. The least they can do is come to this blog & fight with me about it!!! But they don’t even do that! You know why? Because they’ve spent their lives at shakhas, stoning buses etc., instead of in schools & colleges!!!
Maharashtra refers to itself when they use the word rashtra not the country…
So a Hardanalli Doddagodda Deve Gowda & Pamulparthy Venkateshwara Narsimha Rao can become PM, but a Marathi (who’s language is closer to Hindi) doesn’t???
I am really enjoying this conversation with you Pranav…!
Pranav
047
7:40 pm
I could say that we have a Marathi president, but that’d be just for argument’s sake.
Similarly, when you name those two south-indian PMs, Those were merely political compulsions.
You said: “It’s your way of looking at it that is to blame”
I too am enjoying this conversation with you very much! - I think that’s mostly because of the open-minded unbiasedness involved. but if what you say there is true, I will have to take some time out from the debate and introspect at my way of looking.
1conoclast
048
8:49 pm
Pranav,
Marathi prez is a welcome point, not at all argumentative.
One thing I don’t understand is this: When 2 people are discussing something & 1 of them makes a point, why does it become necessary to dismiss his claim as “political compulsions” or offer some other excuse?
My respect for you just tripled with your last statement.
Sicilian
049
7:15 am
PUNE: The use of three firearms in two cases at Swargate and Warje recently is indicating that the sale of weapons has increased in Pune.
Though it is not possible for the police to keep a check or verify the increase in demand for weapons, investigations in Arms Act cases revealed that country-made revolvers and pistols keep coming from states like Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar.
Recovery of weapons in several cases is worrying the police force as they feel that the sale of firearms was slowly on the rise in the city since 2006.
There is no specific gang or organised crime syndicate involved in smuggling weapons. Most of the weapons were brought by ordinary people as it is available at throwaway prices in northern states and it fetches them good money in cities like Pune, Mumbai and Thane.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Pune/Firearms_sales_shoot_up_in_Pune/articleshow/2803026.cms
Atul
050
4:41 pm
Have u heard of parasites…. No ??
Let me brief u on it… its a kind of scum that grows on the fruitful trees… sucks life out of it..
then moves to the next one available…
Does that remind u of nething similar?? No??
Let me try again…
Read news from Bihar..Uttarpradesh…thts the origin of the Parasites..
Destroyed their own backyard…
kill ur brothers n rape their women…screw the law.. then Get in to politics..
Become minister.. Do scams.. turn ur black money in white…
Roam freely… Now done wid ur own back yard.. lets move to the next available target
this time Delhi..Once fruitful tree…repeat ur acts… become National leader.. get elected by raging in elections..
of course in UP & Bihar.. become National leader.. do bigger scams.. eat “chara”.. found guilty..
let ur Wife & brother in law make things easy for u…make them ministers.. kill people.. make life misrable for them…
Now time for Mumbai !!!!
If this is what u want… keep posting ur replies here…i dun mind ..
But this is not what i want.. nor neone who calls this city his or her home…
No one wants their home to be invaded…
Imagine ur self sitting in a class1 restaurant.. wid ur family…
waiter serves the dish.. pulls out a spoon out of his pockets.. pickes a bite from ur plate…
this is what i feel wen i see these scums travelling in trains..oops sorry on top of trains.. flooded in busses & selling goods off the
footpath ….
U talk abt Parsis ?? Forgot Jamshedji Tata ??
The men has given this nation Million things to be proud of…Plus a son like Ratan tata whos making it even more better..
How many time did Raj Thakre attacked Parsis??Or The Shetty’s who runs those Dosa Houses ..
Never .. coz they came in this city.. to make is better…contributed to the city.. making it a better place…
Not turning it into Bihar…
Do u know what happend after telangana incident??? No ??
Let me remind u ..Andhra Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao..unlike Amarsingh & Lalu …
Asked his people to comeback to their hometown & offered them jobs…Now all of them r happy back home wer they belong ..
I know why lalu n amarsingh n lalu prefer fighting in Mumbai…rather than askin ppl to comeback..
cause they know that there is nothing tht can be done in tht hell… ppl come to mumbai & live on streets & jhopadpattis coz its better than watching ur women getting raped by some stranger or policeman …
They come here n wat they do??? they replicate wat they saw back there.. coz ppl here dun retaliate..
Mumbai’s life goes on.. even if females get molested on roads.. ur still welcome here …
Enuf of this .. this is not wat its ment to be …
Just have a look at this link … population map of india …http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:India_population_density_map_en.svg
Have a look at the North india belt… u know wat they do here…
they produce population.. one family with minimum 5 kids.. three of them become Gundas.. one becomes politician..other one becomes some goverment officer.. of course by fraud.. with help of his other brothers.. n d last one stays home njoys the benefits….
I feel killing a parasite is unethical..coz ur taking someones life… even if its a parasite… but then if u want the tree to survive.. u have no other option but to kill the parasite…
i feel it should be done with help of our great constitution.
Keep it for all metros…Keep a VISA system.. come here earn.. send the money home.. but pay for the convineinceces u wil use.. & return back home once ur job is done… with respect….
Some points to be cleared..Lil kiddish but stands true .. just for argument’s sake
F Y I …Tobaco spit isnt “RED” But “Banarasi Paan is “…
10000 jobs will soon be filled.. u need not worry abt tht.. if not we will make the natives work harder.. i guess thts better than ppl from Bihar & UP stealing their jobs …
Mill workres in Mumbai (not BOMBAY or BUMBAI) .. beat their own wifes & drank Narangi wid their own money.. not ur concern .. u better concentrate on the female rape cases incresing in UP & Bihar … oh yes not to forget the Murder & kidnaping counts ..
I guess beating ur wife is better than raping ur neighbour’s.. dun no abt ur choice..
&
Tht gujju paanwala needs some MBA lessons.. if u cant get ur work done from ur employees.. u dun deserv to be employer…good he has opened a paan shop… deserves tht…i wonder how the Udidpis survived…
1conoclast
051
5:31 pm
atul…
apun tere ko vinamrata se samkjhane ka prayatn karta hai…
That’s quite a long rant, but I think it’s wasted effort, because your point is totally unclear. What are you trying to say?
As for your response “not ur concern .. u better concentrate on the female rape cases incresing in UP & Bihar”, I’d like to say the same to you. What are you doing by focusing on the problems in UP-Bihar etc? Shouldn’t you be concerned with the wife-beating drunks in Maharashtra?
As for Bombay (& not vernacular mumbai) being invaded, I think the problem is created by the influx from kolhapur, satara, latur etc. Isn’t that a problem???
As for the thakreys, they’re gundas. They don’t try their stunts with the Tatas, because the Tatas will skin them & use their skins to adorn the walls of their servant quarters! They only mess with the weak!
The gujju panwala is doing really well actually. He sits in Maharashtra, passes judgement on the work ethic of the local populace & no one can touch him. He STILL makes more money than his perenially drunk, tobacco chewing, wife beating ex-employees.
And since you’ve alluded to North-Indian rapes so often, can I draw your attention to the rapist constable of Marine Drive? Sunil More who raped a 17 year old girl? He was drunk on duty by the way. So much for your attempts to discipline your native workforce!!!
Atul
052
12:46 pm
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1152998
Leave us to ourselves, city Biharis tell Lalu Prasad
Biharis want Lalu Prasad to stay away from the outsider controversy.
“Lalu Prasad and his party are commenting on Raj and Bal Thackeray for political gains,
1conoclast
053
2:20 pm
as a point of view, this report above is probably valid, but one needs to remember that it is only one persons point of view. I for example am thrilled at Laloo locking horns with this upstart!
Atul
054
2:36 pm
Wooh .. looks like someone is really hurt ha ?? are you a part of the scum community too ?
Let it be…Now time for some personal view point….
As far as worrying about the drunk mill workers beating their wives are concern…Well…just leave that for us to handle .. we dont want some uncivilized rapist race to guide us on how to behave…We can manage..
About the influx from kolhapur, satara, latur etc…they are family.. part of Maharashtra.. they have right ..unlike some others uninvited scums..Plus none is kickin dem outta here …
Tatas are respected here…skinning ppl & use their skins to adorn the walls of their servant quarters is not just their style.. but expecting that kind of understanding from u is probably my fault…after all thts wat u have been taught all these yrs ryt ??
Pardon my language… but ppl like ur favourite Gujju paanwala are called “Haramkhor” in Maharashtra…
In Hindi its referred as “Jis thali main khana usi main ched karna”…plus he is one whose more bothered abt mulling excuse over
someone else’s head for his inability… sounds like a perfect loser to me.. good that u found someone of ur kind …
Now lets talk abt Mr More .. for u “The rapist constable of Marine Drive”
He has bought a shame to the community if he is guilty.. the Verdict is pending in court…but dont ignore the fact that he was
brought to justice…He was sentenced for his crime.. Unlike UP & Bihar where such acts are considered as a step towards bright political carrier….
If one rape case gives u a excuse to blame the community..
please have a look at the Records for following
LEADERS FROM NORTH …
Pappu Yadav - 4 murders (one of them is a left leader for which he has been sentenced after 7 yrs).
Mrityunjay Yadav alias babloo - s/o hemlata yadav (ex MLA) - 3 rapes 1 murder 7 Extortions.
Dig Vijay Prakash Yadav - Unlicensed firearms - 1 rape 1 murder 12 Extortions.
Baliram Yadav - Fraud, Unlicensed firearms, Extorsions, rape, 1 murder ( F Y I ..The rape victim was of 14 yrs…)
And for F Y I all of them have corruption charges against them as well …
BIHAR-Rapistan!!!
There is a rape every six hours in the state. Dominant castes are using it as a tool to establish supremacy - India Today
This is what UP & Bihar is good at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:India_population_density_map_en.svg
N time for some Trivia….
1.Why police dint help northindian ppl ?
A.Police them selves are bugged with them, they know that the reason behind the rise in crime in mumbai r these guys …
2.Why govt of mah dint help?
A.They are tierd of takin burden of these scums…even they can not take it anymore..City has its limits..
So is it still so difficult for these ppl to understand ???
No one wants u here… even lalu doesnt want u … thts y he asked u to stay here n fight..get ur asses kicked here …coz if u come to bihar he wil have to take care of u ppl.. provide jobs.. food .. shelter..
Dogs are a better breed.. if u shoo dem once… they dun comeback ..but these guys are worst…
Don’t these ppl have any self respect left ??
Is there something called dignity in these ppl ?? Ppl are kickin u out of here .. n u still stick around ??? Is it still better than waht happens in Bihar & UP ??
Now that u have proved that u prefer a rapistan over Mumbai…
N u feel so insecure with maharashtrian ppl around who drink & beat their own wives ..Why not take ur family (especially ladies) to Bihar & UP… c how secure they feel compared to here .. n c what u get …
1conoclast
055
2:59 pm
Atul…
I don’t need to say anything more to you really. Your last comment has shown your culture for all that it is. Anger, hate & swear words is all that exists in your repertoire anyway. Thanks for reminding all of us about your excellent culture!
I don’t understand why you’re asking me to refrain from commenting on the situation of Maharashtrians, when you yourself are continuing to poke your nose in the affairs of the Biharis. “Practise what you preach” dude. Or maybe your marathi medium school didn’t teach you this proverb…?
Your comment “About the influx from kolhapur, satara, latur etc…they are family.. part of Maharashtra.. they have right” smacks of Hypocrisy, Narrow Mindedness & Illiteracy.
Maharashtra is not a separate country. It is only one state in this great country (which by the way was freed without without much help from Maharashtrians). A Bihari or a Gujju have as much right over Maharashtra as a Laturi.
The day Maharashtra wants to become a separate country, let us know. We’ll deal with you the way we deal with Kashmiri & Khalistani separatists!
And for your information Bombay was incorporated into Maharashtra only later. It wasn’t originally a part of Maharashtra.
I am a North Indian. I have a Maharashtrian driver. Do you want me to sack him because he isn’t a North Indian? Soch samajh ke bola karo. Jaisi karni waisi bharni yaad rakha karo!
Thank your stars that the moderate Indian isn’t given to violence. Otherwise, God alone knows what would’ve happened to the likes of you!
Don’t have the time to deal with the rest of your rubbish right now. Will probably give you an education if you really want to enroll in the Peace, Love & Acceptance for All school of thought.
Sandy
056
9:02 pm
These guys do not understand that they are actually creating problems for their own people outside the state. Maharashtra people outside the state should be feeling the pressure. I hear from north Indian people suffering in Bombay that they wish to do the same with people from Maharashtra in North Indian states.
@Atul
The arguments given by Atul are too biased … any bad thing done by Maharashtra people is justified. Enhance your vocab and see the meaning of being “rational”. It is not a bad thing.
You are supporting NMS .. since you want only well behaved … (high) tax payer people from other states … on Visa … come-on man .. do not dream. Then why do NMS people threaten every North Indian. I am a tax payer … I am well educated and well behaved … what harm do I do if I stay in Maharashtra. Does your NMS takes care not threatening and beating people like me? If not … do not try to justify their actions … You can be arrogant than being illogical … you can say .. Good or Bad … No North Indian in Mumbai/Maharashtra (full stop) … And Good, Bad, Ugly or Very Bad … Maharashtra people are welcome.
Again I would like to say … “I see a loser”.
1conoclast
057
3:45 pm
Atul…
Also would like to add to the list of Sunil More types:
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1132162
Everyday I will send you one link to look at. This is going to be my daily class for you. To open up your eyes; to free your mind of bias; not to throw stones if your own house is made of glass.
As for Maharashtrian criminals, here are a few names:
Bhai Thakur
Arun Gawli
The Naik brothers (Amar & Ashwin)
The thakreys
Atul
058
4:03 pm
1conoclast,
Are u here with a solution …or are a u part of the problem ??
As for now..
Against the list of Northindian politicians u have this bunch of wanteds ???
So u agree that ur politicians are no lesser than Marathi Criminals…Good for u..
N before takin my class please help ur fellow “Bhaiyaas” with some…
They need it the most …Teach them what is called “Living with dignity”
Or just have a look at Any of the news papers for ueself to know … who got murdered or raped today in UP or BIhar ..Its a daily coumn in papers .. u wont have to search for year 2007 article for that… it will be much more easier ..
Have a lot more for u .. will be back soon ….
@chacko
Now that ur so fond of cheap labour…lets open our Borders for China & Vientam… m sure they have the cheapest labour possible…
1conoclast
059
4:23 pm
atul…
Now you’re just plain frustrated. Earlier too you were biased & overtly aggressive (which made your education & culture obvious), but at least your mind was calm. Now you’ve just gotten plain frustrated because your stupid comments are being met with solid body blows from One-India (akhand bharat I think)!!!
I’ll give you articles from every year if you want… just to illustrate the point that you missed in your last lesson: Those who live in glass houses… Come, come my dear student… fill in the blanks…!
Maharashtrians by the way don’t even have a language that is purely their own. Marathi borrows heavily from Persian (words like jawabdari) & the Mughal influence on their language & administration is still evident (words like Zakat for example)! I’d like to see them remove those influences from their language & see if the language can stand on one leg.
Baat karta hai bewakuf…!
2S
060
11:29 pm
@1conoclast - every language borrows from everywhere, Arabic from Persian or vice-versa, Urdu too, Hindi from Sanskrit, so your point is irrelevant in the context. I don’t think you can play the culture card to fight culture-driven extremism.
- - -
Anyhow, I think the topic of discussion was about how these young-generation leaders with sound education also act the same way the extremists do, and not really a cultural debate to figure out etymology in Marathi.
1conoclast
061
2:22 am
2S…
The point is relevant because it seeks to point out how flawed the entire Maharashtra is for Maharashtrians only concept is, when the history & the culture of the state is inextricable linked to outside non-Maharashtrian influences. It seeks to illustrate how barren & one-legged the Maharashtrian identity would become if it wasn’t for the outside influences they’re fighting. It seeks to open their eyes to what is obvious to us.
The post may have intended to do what you say it does, but you know how, on the Mutiny, the comments forum takes over from a post. This comment is in response to the direction the comments have taken.
Dharmendra Tambe
062
7:10 pm
Hi Conoclast,
Boy,.. you have made me to enter in this debate.It was pleasure to read your conversation with Atul and Pranav. Your observation of Mumbai ,Marathi Manoos and other people leaving in mumbai is terriffic.I really amused to know that Maharashtra is most illiterate,mannerless and uncultured state which could not produce single Prime Minister till date.Well you have great knowledge of Indian ( Perticularly Maharashtrian) history.
Conoclast,..its not the money that only develops a state ,a city,..it is the outcome of united effort by all strata of society.Mumbai is one of such dream built on the land of Maharashtra contributed by Businessman,Fishermen,Mill workers and many more people who came here to fullfill their dreams.I hope you know something about Rao Bahdur S.K.Bole,I hope in next message you will give us some valued information about Mr. Jagannath Shanker Shet,…as a scholar of Mumbai’s History you can tell us lot about them ,..right?..
As you said problem is created by the influx of people from Satara,Kolhapur and Latur etc etc..have you gone to the District of Kolhapur ever…?Boy you really know nothing about them.You are talking about rich sugar belt of Maharashtra. turnout from these district to mumbai is the lowest.do you know this?…
One more question Have you ever heard one name- Abasaheb Garware?
Or say…Mr. Shantanurao Kirloskar….Or. Mr. Vikram Pandit or Mr. K.V.Kamat or Mr. Vithal Kamat or Tatyarao Lahane or D.N.Chougule or Kiran Karnik or Lalita Gupte….
………..the list is very long….And boy,.. these people never came and beat their drums saying ” YES THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS CITY”
Yes its fact that major Maharashtrian population is ( Mute) white collar salaried people,..does this means no contribution to the city?Who pay their taxes honestly?( Do I need to explain how businessman steal the tax? next time get a pakka recipt while purchasing something))Its the Middle class Marathi culture which is controlling the moral and ethical outbreak in this city.Don’t you think so?..
Your Gujju panwalla is really a Kismat ka mara…he can not blame others for his own downfall.thats again saying some derogatory remarks to certain community..prostitution?( as per recent survey the migrants from UP/BIHAR and the Punjabi Truck Drivers are the frequent visitors to Kamathipura..check it out) .
what a classic example !!! ( Think some thing better next time).
As far as my knowledge Marathi literature is the most flourishing, progressive and popular literature after maybe Bengali.This tobacco chewing languge people has three JNANPITH Awards under their belt.The work in marathi also include the dialect in interior Maharashtra which is called by Sant DNYNESHWAR as “AMRUTATEHI PAIJA JINKE “( better than Amrit) and you,conclast,call it worst to hear.Boy,.. Sant Dnyaneshwar was indeed wiser than you…belive me.!!!( No comments on how Bhojpuri and awadhi feels to my ears..!!( and nose!)).
Many people ask what is your contribution to the Film Industry ..Funny question isn’t it? I don’t want to elaborate bcz you will fall flat on your face.
Our filmmakers are thinkers and not Gana bajana nautanki type film makers..yes there was a bad patch but we have survived and contributing towards good Indian Cinema.
I always feel that to prove your point you should be having solid knowledge of the subject….Conclast making some irresponsible statements just make you funny.
I could never understand the meaning of GHATI.Will you please explain me Pranav?
However I don’t feel anybody has to leave mumbai just bcz he is not from Maharashtra but we should have certain guidelines for wages, for illegal encroachment of public land and we should ensure that there should not be single Zuggi in coming years. Every body should get water,electricity, better sanitation and ease of cultural tension. The people coming from outside should accept the cultural transition they may be facing and better not to oppose it.This can be done only by regulation of flow of people.
Awaiting your comments FRIENDS
1conoclast
063
7:38 pm
Dharmendra!!!
This is the BEST EVER RESPONSE I have ever read!!! Not only is it politely argued, it has the facts to shut me up nice & proper. A note to all my detractors. If you want to shut me up, this is the kind of response that is required!
Just to clarify, I do not really think that all Maharashtrians are poor, drinking, tobacco chewing, illiterates! Those comments were solely meant to point out the futility of pointing fingers at others. I am not the hate-kind of person. I do have an aggressive streak though. I have spent 16 years in Maharashtra & have loved each year! Unless incidents like the recent ones happen. Each of my aggro comments here was a response meant to illustrate to hate-mongers that these hate-discussions are never-ending & pointless. I mean no offence to gentlemen like you. As I write this, I realise that I (momentarily) became like the very thakrey’s I was trying to condemn! Thanks for waking me up to that fact!
I have been to Kolhapur yes & am aware of it’s properity. I have even been to dajipur, which a lot of peole in Maharashtra may not even be aware of! Like I said, my comments were only in response to the likes you’ve seen here.
I would never claim that there’s no contribution of Maharashtrians to cinema! I was a HUGE Mads, Asha Bhosale & Amol Palekar fan!
No offence intended to men like you. I’m happy to apologize to someone like you for hurting your sentiments.
Main apne mann se Jai Maharashtra bolne mein bahut khush hoon (after all it’s a part of my country!), but if someone forces me, I’d like to kick his @$$!
I was actually in the process of unsubscribing myself from the comments section on all posts, when your comment popped up. I will now keep myself subscribed to this post as long as we’re discussing something.
I am thankful that people like you visit the Mutiny as well. I shall now keep my comments focused on you instead of the likes of atul.
All that said, the one point that I am not in agreement with you is the control the influx argument. A better solution is to develop the other towns so that there is no need for people to come in. This is happening now. A Nasik now has job opportunities that didn’t exist even 10 years back. We’re on the right track as far as development goes.
Oh…! Another point I don’t agree with… The fall flat on your face bit.
Rockey
064
2:26 pm
Nope. He is not wrong in what he said.
It was media who misguided people and created wrong impression on
general public.
There are marathi people living in other parts of india like gujrat, MP,delhi.
But they have totally mixed up with the culture and ppl living in those states.
Marathi people living in gujrat speak in gujrati. You will not find a marathi manus speaking in hindi with a gujrati man in Gujrat.
They may be speaking in marathi among thmselves and they do celebrate marathi festivals at home. But outside their home, they speak in gujrati.
They call themselves as gujratis and not maharashtrians.
Same holds true for marathi people living in Madhya pradesh or delhi or anywhere else. Marathi People living in MP for instance speak Hindi much better than marathi.
This proves that marathi people have understood the meaning of our constitution more than others. When Indian constitution has given right to any indian to settle in any part of this country, It also means that they should respect to the culture of that state. It doesnt mean that they should stop speaking in their own language or stop celebrating their festivals. But They should learn the local language.
There are non marathi people living in mahashtra fron last 50-60 years. Their generations have been born and brought up here. How many of them can speak in marathi???
They forcefully learn marathi in school, because they dont have any choice.
But after that they foget it.
Its only because of Shivsena and now MNS that marathi language still exists in mumbai. If these organizations wouldnt have been formed, Hindi would have become official language of mumbai.
I accept that Hindi is National language.
But then in states like gujrat, bengal, south india their local languages get more priority and preference.
Then why Marathi is being neglected by non-marathi people living here???
Rockey
065
12:16 pm
@1conoclast
Maharashtra is not a separate country. It is only one state in this great country (which by the way was freed without without much help from Maharashtrians).
Do u have any idea what r u talking about????????
Ur knowledge of history seems to be very poor…. or do they dont teach u history correctly in bihar and UP????
There were millions of marathi ppl who have fought for this country.
Some of the great leaders and “Krantikari” were marathi.
When mughals were trying to establish rule all over country, Along with rajputs of rajasthan only maraths fought with them.
Mughals were driven out of maharashtra by marathas.
have u heard nothing about gr8 Marathas???
Chatrapati Shivaji maharaj, Chatrapati sambhaji maharaj, Holkar, shinde… and Finally Peshwas????? Marathas even conquered delhi and drove mughals out of it. The last kingdom that fought with british was maratha kingdom. Marathas lost to britsih in 1805 and only after that british could establish total rule over maharshtra.
have u heard nothing about Veer savarkar who spent 18 years in andman prison??? British goverenment was so much afraid of him, that the sentenced him 50 years of imprisonment in andaman. and savrkar laughed saying.. 50 years??? will british government be able to rule this country for 50 more years???He was One of greatest patriotic person ever born in this land. Lokmanya tilak, Vasudeo balwant phadake, tatya tope, Rani lakshmibai of Jhansi were all marathis.
Dont u know gr8 roar made by tilak?? ”
Swarajya ha majha janmsiddha kaaka aahe.. aani to mi milavinarach”. You must have atleast heard of bhagatsingh-rajguru-sukhdev trio……Who was rajguru??? a marathi manus !!! They all have fought for this country and have given their lives for its freedom. There are thousands of such marathi freedom fighters. Most of which are unknown coz they didnt play any dirty politics like congress did back in 1900.. They were true patriotic people who fought for this country and gave their lives.
Do u know that their is maratha regiment in our army???
Its named after gr8 marathas. There are thousands of marathi army officers who have fought and died in battels against pakistan and chiana.
Even in recent kargil battle many maratha jawan gave their lifes.
DO NOT EVER DISRESPECT MARATHI PEOPLE AGAIN !!!
YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT OUR HISTORY.
IF YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING…DO NOT COMMENT ON IT.
SEEMS LIKE THEY TEACH ONLY SELECTIVE HISTORY TO YOU IN BIHAR AND UP?? Huh???
punjabi munda
066
12:58 pm
mera bharat mahaan
punjabi munda
067
1:01 pm
rockey shant ho ja mere bhai ,
jo bole so nihal sat sri akaal
punjabi munda
068
1:09 pm
When mughals were trying to establish rule all over country, Along with rajputs of rajasthan only maraths fought with them.
this is not complete sentence my brother .
dont you know about the three kings of india during the mughal era?
rana pratap singh
chattrapati shivaji maharaj
maharaja ranjit singh : who was responsible for sikh kingdom which ruled both punjab , the adjoining areas and even jammu and kashmir for some time .
we ruled what is pakistan punjab today .
so , while you all are bragging that you have ruled what is india today ‘
i here tell you that we have ruled even pakistan and afghanistan >
Dharmendra Tambe
069
3:23 pm
Hi everybody,
I think this debate has no relevance now after two months.We should get back to work and do something constructive for this country.We can not live in the golden memories of history ,we should recreate it and demonstrate our abilities to be respected by others.Marathi manus should show his aggresiveness in diffrent fields and prove that he is not loser.The action speaks for itself…..then there will be no balu, no jay..no conoclast who will point out and redicule us……!!!!
tim mml
070
6:07 am
eerybody pls take in their mouth
tim mml
071
6:10 am
raj thackrey……..ha ha ha..ho ho ho…pls go n join some circus company…u aint ne better than than a third grade joker of a fourth grade circus company….ha ha ha
Amit
072
12:05 pm
@atul
I am seeing this hot discussion since long and finally I decided to disclose the reason behind Mr Raj’s fury and some sucking nonsense bugs like Atul supporting them.
Did ever tried to ask Raj and guys like Atul his fathers’ name… yes I said Fathers’ name not Father’s name ..!!
These morons have their fathers and forefathers from Bihar and UP only as their ladies were raped by them… inclu Raj’s and Atul’s mom.
Come on Atul… say the truth now buddy .. U know it very well ..and nobody knows u here right .. And its quite justified for someone to get outrageous by not getting name of his true father but bearing up the name of some impotent marathi who is not his true father ..
So my dear Atul.. my sympathy is with u but u know, impotents are always superceded by potent elements … ant thats basically why UP and Biharis are superceding the rat sick marathis .. !!
Cheers !!!
Nameet
073
12:29 am
@Amit
if the bhaiyyyas wwere so potent….how come UP BIHAR r the shitholes of India…
no.1 in rapes,crime,goonda gardi,lawlessness,corruption,,,..
its the ppl of UP BIHAr who have elected the impotent leaders like mulayam,laloo.,mayawati etc….
the situation in UP BIHAR Is so bad that the bhaiyyyas have to go to even Manipur,assam,sikkim(so mall states) for employment…ofcorz that they behave rudely and get murdered by assamese and manipuri is differnt matter
thought point to be noted is that even Assam and Manipur can provide them jobs…which the impotent politciains of Bhaiyya Land cannot !!!!
Dharmendra Tambe
074
3:40 pm
Amit,
your words are smelling like shit..!! whats your problem …Raj or all Maharashtrians?..The discussion should be ristricted to the topic and should be relevant to the facts and figures.
why people within the country migrate –
1. search of livelyhood (as their respective parts in the country fails to provide them)
2. for social security (again their part of country can not ensure them)
4. for peace and prosperity ( Crime rate in their part of country must be higher)
If this is the fact then the inference is Maharashtra could provide them all the above things and hence they prefered to settle in this part of country. Now Maharashtra is nothing but part of this country governed by the people called Maharashtrians and bcz of their lawfulness, peaceful and tolerant nature, encouragement to Industry and developments, you preffered to be in Maharashtra.And the words that you used here are so demeaning and derogatory that one can question your own upbringing.
Now every body wants to take the credit of Mumbai’s development.Let me clear one thing every migrant came here to survive and not to prosper this crumbled city.Some body said once non maharashtrians move out of the city the charm of the city will vanish !!!!! I can say it other way around.
Amit why dont you go and check your own roots…you may find them in Afganistan or Iraq…!!!
cheers
1conoclast
075
5:03 pm
Rockey…
I had unsubscribed myself from this form & therefore missed out on your puking.
First get the spelling of Rocky right, you illiterate. Then we’ll talk about what is taught in UP-Bihar! (For your information, most of the people in India’s civil services come from these 2 states. IAS & IPS; to the extent that BOMBAY’s top police officials have been UP-ites! You have zero achievement in these areas!)
Secondly, I was educated in Rajasthan & Maharashtra. I’m from a CBSE background, where they teach us all about history, not only about selective Maratha history as punjabi munda pointed out to you!
The Mughal empire was in decline when the Maratha Sun rose. That is hardly a show of strength! Lagta hai kamzoron se ladne ki tumhari purani aadat hai!
The problem with you is that you’ve been exposed to only Maratha history and you don’t have an all-India perspective, forget about having a global perspective.
My comments have only been in RESPONSE to the rubbish that was dished out by raj & the other vomit on this forum. Take a chill pill.
If you don’t want me to poke you, tell the other idiots in this forum not to poke the others Indians. Tum lalkaro aur hum tumhari marein bhi nahin? Aisa nahin ho sakta!
You might also derive joy from reading this:
http://mutiny.in/2008/05/03/80-reservation-a-satire/
1conoclast
076
5:13 pm
Rockey…
One more thing. You are NO ONE to expect non-Maharashtrians to learn or speak your language. We won’t learn it & we won’t speak it! Do your utmost!!!
GET LOST!
Pranav
077
6:20 pm
1conoclast,
Re: Marathi.
On the streets of delhi, or lucknow, patna, even, would you be pleased if I spoke to you in tamil? would you understand? In this case, the southern man would have to learn Hindi to communicate with you in your land.
The crisis here, could be that maharashtrians have to learn your language so they could understand what you say to them - while not in your area, but their own, where they speak marathi. See the difference? tamil man in lucknow speaks hindi - your language in your land, marathi man in maharashtra speaks hindi - your language in THEIR land.
Mumbai, as everyone knows, was home originally to the british, later to parsis and gujaratis who used the local maharashtrian workforce to build the city and their businesses here. While the British no longer exist here, both parsis and gujaratis for whom mumbai is home, have blended with the culture of it’s people and speak their language. The north-indians, then, who are only the latest low-wage labor immigrants to the city, are only too proud to accept the fact that they are not in a native hindi speaking area of the country and must blend with the culture of the people they live with?
Pranav
078
6:41 pm
1conoclast
re: your statement about maharashtrians and the freedom movement.
Being an ethnic non-maharashtran, I am still proud, unlike your holy bihariness, of Bal Gangadhar Tilak - a leader as big as gandhi. Gopal Krishna Gokhle - Gandhi’s guru, Rani Laxmibai - Jhansi’s queen was a maharashtrian, Rajguru - of the bhagat singh, sukhdev, rajguru fame, Dr. BR Ambedkar - Mayavati’s guru, he empowered dalits nationwide and many others who were more important in India’s freedom than all UPites and Biharis put together.
Don’t type without factually verifying your statements, that’ll help you avoid looking like an utter fool.
1conoclast
079
7:17 pm
Pranav,
You & I have debated this before & you have taken away points to think about from our discussions. Why the return?
Anyway, I’m OK to learn Marathi “on my own”, because knowing multiple languages is a good thing. If however, someone is going to force it down my throat, I’m going to HAVE to kick his ass!
There is no need in Bombay for Marathi. Bombay gets by splendidly on Bambaiya Hindi.
Like you yourself pointed out, Bombay was never home to these jokers. So WHAT is the fuss about???
The more assumptions you make, the more foot in mouth you will feel. I’m not Bihari. I’m Indian. One who’s spent 16 years in Maharashtra & loves everything about it, except the shiv sena & it’s adherents!
As for the freedom movement, seriously speaking, give me more names. The names you mention everyone knows of! Anyone else?
You have named 4 post 1857 Marathi freedom fighters. I will name 11 from UP:
Motilal Nehru
Jawaharlal Nehru
Indira Gandhi
Jayaprakash Narayan
Pandit Madan Mohan Malaviya
Govind Ballabh Pant
Maulana Mohammad Ali
Maulana Shaukat Ali
Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari
Ram Manohar Lohia
Dr.Shanker Dayal Sharma
Do you want a list from 1857?
Do you want a list of post 1857 Gujarati freedom fighters?
Do you still want to have this discussion?
1conoclast
080
7:19 pm
Pranav…
Guess who’s looking like a fool now…?
Pranav
081
2:04 am
The sheer quality of my four names with worth more than a 100 nehrus.
Besides. including people from the nehru/gandhi family as freedom fighters/great leaders of the nation is a VERY debatable issue.
On Gujarati freedom fighters, no thanks, I have my list already. just Gandhi’s and Jhinna’s name would outnumber everybody else in the country. May I also point out that pre-independence, and 10 years after the same, Gujarat and Maharashtra were the same state - and that it was called Bombay?
If you want me to add to the list, here are a few other names:
* The savarkar brothers
* Baba Amte
* Vinoba Bhave
* Anna Hazare
* Tatya Tope
* Peshwa Bajirao
* Jyotirao Phule
* Dr. K. B. Hedgewar (founder of the RSS, what, you thought it was dave winer? hehe)
* Dhondo Keshav Karve (founder of SNDT women’s univ)
Why did I come back to the thread? because you, one who’s posts were full of knowledge and reasoning suddenly started typing hateful ramblings as I see them.
To answer your second question, Both of us are. You are looking like a fool because you are simply trying to outnumber and out-talk me with mindless ramblings and counting. I am looking like a fool, because I am arguing with one. Fact of the matter is that you are a commie or at least a left wingie while I am on the extreme right and we will never stop arguing - probably just for ideology’s sake.
You said that you could not find a single maharashtrian freedom fighter/great leader. I gave you names of some of the greatest Indian leaders who happen to be maharashtrian. Instead of accepting that you were wrong in stating that maharashtrians didn’t contribute to the country’s existence and progress, you simply come up with a list of north indian leaders! That’s not the point, right? you said there aren’t any, I replied that there are, many, period. you can’t answer that with, ‘okay . .but my state has more of them’. hehe. That IS foolish.
I know that you probably already speak marathi and are a very intelligent and bright young person from the UP, but take a few moments to reflect on your thoughts, man! don’t make a mess of that bright and reasoning mind that you possess.
Dharmendra Tambe
082
3:26 pm
Conoclast,
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha………I don’t know where should I stop laughing….at you..your knowledge of Mumbai,Maharashtra and Indian History ..ha ha he he hi hi …Maulana shaukat ali..Mukhtar Mohd Ansari..Ha ha ha he he …nobody knows them outside Lucknow….Ha ha ha ha he he ….How many of such kind of freedom fighters do you want us to list out from Maharashtra…Ha ha ha ha ..
I already in my earlier comment explained you the contribution of Marathi manus to the Mumbai’s development but you are not mentally prepared to accept it….The people like you with your Gujarati and parsi friends ,tried to rewrite the history of Mumbai…time to time in the past …These Gujaratis and Parsis, pre independence, were British supporters except few like Dadabhai Nowrojee. Post Independence These Gujarati’s with the strong business lobby did not allow Marathis and others to enter in the cotton and other tradings..their dirty carteling kept Marathis away from the major businesses. Do you know this fact…
Also there was no political will shown by our leaders and they themselves became slaves of these Indian Jews.
Now Conoclast, for last 16 years,do you remember an incident where a maharashtrian talked to you in marathi and expected you to speak in marathi.We always loved and accepted the fact that we are Indians and for uniformity we should speak a comman understandable language,i.e Hindi though it is not yet accepted as our national language.if we could be such tolerant for years what the hell is your problem,if you speak in marathi.
Now its my turn,….Few of the freedom fighters and social activist from Mahrashtra,….dhyan tya dhyan!!!!
1.Babu genu
2. Senapati Bapat
3. Vasudev Balawant Phadke
4.Chaphekar Bandhu
5.Rajguru
6.Mahtma Phule
7.Justice Govind Mahadev Ranade
8. Gopal Ganesh Agarkar
9. Anant Kanhere
10.Krantiveer Nana Patil
11.Anandi Gopal Joshi
12. R.D.Karve
13.D.K.Karve
and many more…your CBSE must not have taken note of these freedom fighters..surely not,..bcz they are again Marathi haters.
We are the first to start Women’s school- in Pune By Savitribai Phule
We are the first to start womens University - By D K Karve
We are the first to produce a women doctor - Dr. Anandibai Joshi
We are the first to initiate Vidhawa Vivaha - in pune
We are first to produce a brilliant and great social reformer like Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar
We are first to produce a Silent Film - Raja Harischandra
We are first to start Bhoodan movement - By Vinoba Bhave
We are first to recieve National award for a feature film.- Shyamchi Aai
an many more…….
See my intention is not to compare with others, but you can not ignore us and question our existance labelling us as jokers!!..jokers…ha ha ha he he
your mind is totally corrupt against marathis..you need a break ….indeed.. Ha ha ha he he hi hi……
cheers
Pranav
083
10:00 pm
@1conoclast
Now that I am reading Tambe’s post, I sure look like a fool seeing at least one of my fellow supporters of the mumbai cause is in fact, filled with as much hate as you are. not just against your people, but also gujaratis and parsis - who as I mentioned earlier have been mumbaikars for more than marathis themselves., indicating that some of these people really can’t see anyone but themselves in the state and will blame others just because they aren’t enterprising enough.
c’est la vie
Pranav
084
10:19 pm
Just one more name I want to add to the list of famous marathis responsible for shaping the nation as it is today.
* Nathuram Godse.
Ketan
085
12:29 pm
@Dharmendar: How can you not list Shri Savarkar??
@ Pranav: Nathuram Godse is rather infamous than being famous.
What i have experienced in Pune is weird. I see a lot of unemployed youth sitting at nukkads, doing nothing. Its not like they wont get a job to do, but i have feeling that the will to do is missing.
And on top of this, these guys, are not at peace watching someone else suceed.
Maharashtra has a long and cery strong history of contribution to India as a Nation.
However, jerks like Raj Thackerey, are hell bent on removing the Maha from the rashtra.
Angry Indian
086
4:05 pm
It does surprise me that regional “pride” is still so strong in this country. However this Regional Pride does not seem to be very objective and rational.
Pride should not be driven by what other people, who spoke the same language as you, have done. It should be driven by what you are doing right now to make your city better.
It’s a bit funny that the same people who fret about the influx of migrants also laugh with glee when they see their property prices appreciate due to the high demand. A hearty portion of hypocrisy with a dash of indignaton…I present to you our average citizen…..:-)
My name is no relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
1conoclast
087
5:00 pm
Pranav,
Your comment on Nehru & Gandhiji leaves me no option but to refrain from engaging in intelligent debate with you. Anyone who dislikes them is a lower life form & undeserving of any interaction with me.
I asked you to name post 1857 freedom fighters but you seem hard pressed to find names. I’m laughing my b***s off at your including Bajirao in this list!
sarvarkar has & will remain a dubious character. He signed an agreement with the British that he will refrain from any activities against them. It was on that condition that he was released from jail. He can’t be called a true patriot. He supported the 2 nation theory, he propounded hindutva. His years in the Andamans had demented him.
In case you haven’t heard (depending on your medium of instruction), “It is better to shut your mouth & appear like a fool, than to open it & remove all doubt!”: this is becoming truer in your case with every word you speak. I’m not leftist or rightist. I’m right here in the centre. I’m a moderate, where the Congress historically lay. I hope you remember that the INC had a Lal-Bal-Pal extremist streak, but that they were sidelined becase their approach interfered with the success of the freedom movement. I’ve always been with the moderates, who were more sensible then & are more sensible today!
I agree with your point that I cannot respond with a UP list to your question. I am contrite. My response was tinged more with passion than logic there.
I can’t speak Marathi to save my life. I can manage a word or two, the ones I picked on BEST buses in Bombay. Thanks for your concern on my bright & reasoning mind, but as you can see my leanings clearly demonstrate that I am more “centred” than you are.
1conoclast
088
6:05 pm
Tambe…
My respect dropped more than a couple of notches for you suddenly…!
I had picked out the names from a site on Indian Freedom fighters, not UP specific freedom fighters. You on the other hand are quick to run down freedom fighters of this country. It’s not about big or small. Anyone who fought for India’s freedom deserves respect. Which is why sarvarkar gets some respect despite his later misdemeanours. Which is why one doesn’t forget that even jinnah in his earlier days fought for India’s freedom. Please don’t run down freedom fighters based on how famous they were.
My Grandfather was a freedom fighter as well. Spent time in jail, went underground. Has a citation from the Indian Govt. & received a guard of honour at his funeral. I did not mention his name here, did I? He was a UP-ite by the way.
I agree with Pranav on one point: BOMBAY never belonged to the Maharashtrians. It was a fishing village that the Brits converted into a prospering harbour. The Parsis then added to it’s prosperity, along with Gujjus, Sindhis & Panjus. Maharashtrians had no contribution AT ALL in the building of BOMBAY! The ones who claim that they did are greedy lazy people who want to live off the fruits off other people’s labour & other people’s glory!
You’re despicable because you talk about your own countrymen in disrespectful tones: whether they’re North Indians or Parsis or Gujjus, you call the architects of Modern India & BOMBAY, names like “Indian Jews”. So you’re anti-semetic too?
I have no problem learning Marathi. I would like to. If Amol Palekar who refused to accept an award from bal t, asks me to. But if rabid fundamentalists, modern day terrorists like the sena ask me to, I will ask them kiss my white ass!
We weren’t looking at a social worker list, but if you want to get into comparisions, we can do that.
You’re DEMENTED if you believe that the CBSE hates Marathas!!! The CBSE is a national level education body. What can they have against Marathis? Why would they? What kind of a threat are the Marathis? They haven’t been able to do anything for themselves yet!!!
If you’re from a CBSE school, colleges in Maharashtra used to add 5% to your percentage to compare you with the local Maharashtra board. Even they acknowledge the superiority of CBSE & ICSE! Accept it. And gupp buss.
I cannot respond to your manic laughter at the end of your comment!
1conoclast
089
6:08 pm
Pranav…
you like godse? A cold-blooded murderer?
THHOO hai tujhpe… THHOO!!!
(Would you like your kids to turn out like him? Weak in mind & spirit?)
1conoclast
090
6:09 pm
Angry Indian,
VERY WELL SAID!!!
APPLAUSE!!!!!
I shall bookmark your site.
Ketan
091
6:15 pm
Okay…I dint know this part about SAvarkar, signing a deal with The darn Brits!
1conoclast
092
6:58 pm
Ketan,
He did. It’s called treason.
And he was implicated in Gandhiji’s assassination, but acquited for lack of proof. And these guys celebrate such people!!! More than Tilak for example!!!!!!!! Pagal hain yaar!!!
Pranav
093
7:02 pm
@1conoclast
Dude, didn’t you see? the godse comment was direct at Mr. Hatred Tambe here. lol. I think I’m this rang-badlu girgit as the hindi phrase goes. switching sides all the time I can’t stand hatred - but it’s on both the sides, so I just keep on switching.
I have more than immense respect for Gandhi. what I wrote about the nehru/gandhi family was exactly that - the family - starting from Jawaharlal Nehru who’s economic policies ruined the growth prospects of the country up to 1990 - who wasn’t ready for a war with china that we lost and suffered from. who’s daughter was Indira Gandhi - who was basically a fascist for most part of her ruling career. Her son rajeev, while seen as good ruler, was involved in a lot of shady gun trade that is in the courts, his wife and kid, Sonia and Rahul, are merely political creatures. their contribution to India as a nation is very debatable. You may say otherwise, but I will not agree. Imagine if India had
Heh, it’s was largely said to be nehru’s idea to create states according to language.
Ketan
094
7:04 pm
1conoclast:
Some people will do anything to justify anything.
Things in Maharashtra are going from bad to worse, and no one is complaining. Assholes are busy driving away the hard working “labour class’.
Ketan
095
7:06 pm
@Pranav:
And if i remember correctly, it was Nehru who had imposed mandatry Hindi across the country.
Now, no one likes to be forced, and the southern states retaliated, which led to the situation as it is today!
Bastards. The Politicians, who else.
Pranav
096
7:12 pm
Exactly Ketan. The Nehru/Gandhi family (again, not related to the mahatma) have always been politicians and nothing else. Can’t blame them for it, but can’t really praise them for contributing to the country either.
Atul
097
12:13 am
@1Conoclast…
u r the reason why ppl hate “Bhaiyyas/Biharis”
refer to my previous post ” Pardon my language… but ppl like ur favorite Gujju paanwala are called “Haramkhor” in Maharashtra…
In Hindi its referred as “Jis thali main khana usi main ched karna”…
but this time i don’t wanna apologies for the language cause urs hasn’t been any better….this is what u ppl do .. u lived here all ur life..ppl here gave u all they could.. place to live.. love, respect an environment wer u could actually live .. n this is what u give back .. brag abt how good those “Bhaiyyas/Biharis” are .. whome u left .. so that u cud get a life… support rapist corrupt politicians…
what do u want to make Mumbai ?? Patna or Lakhnow ??
Remember the word “Haramkhor”… thts what u ppl are…trying to steal from ppl who allowed you to take shelter in this city..when u were
kicked out of UP and Bihar…”Haramkhor”
I spoke to some of these “Bhaiyyas/Biharis” some time back…they were staying (4 of them) in a illegal Pani puri stall at juhu beach….
earning 7-8ks… eating in a”Jhunka-Bhakar stall on the opposite side of the road (started By State Govt during for poor ppl)..managing to save about 7-6.5k..to
send back to family.. wen i asked him y push urself so hard here? why not back home?? he said its better sleeping on streets here than living in Begusarai his hometown…No jobs..Violence..killings..Insecurity..his bro came here a year back .. now all 5 of them live in that same stall … Now here makin life miserable for the rest of the ppl of Mumbai …..scum…
Before long, Mumbai developed into an important trading post. Reclamation was started and Gerald Aungier, the Governor persuaded
businessmen from all parts of the country to come and settle in Mumbai .Mumbai developed into a major commercial center. The booming port
attracted the capitalist communities like the Parsis, Gujaratis and Marwaris, who established trading companies and factories.
Yes Parsi’s did their part in building this city but that wasn’t for the love of people or the land it was for the money they were making..plus if you
take out few exceptions most of these pre-independence Parsi’s were bumlickers of the East-India Company.They still refer themselves as
Persians and not Indians..Guujus then joined the party after independence…All for money ignoring the son of soil the Marathi’s ,The Angris ,The
Koil(Fishermen).
Rather than telling us who built this city..and who fought for the freedom of this country…why not concentrate on the “problem” “Bhaiyyas/Biharis”…
what have these bhaiyyas done for the city…What way have these ppl been beneficial to this place? what have these guys
added to this city apart from the crime rate, corruption and population.. And please dont brag about the cheap labor and those Milkman &
Veg. hawkers.. if thts what ur good for… m sure v have enuf and better versions of those from this part of the world…
The number of migrants to Mumbai from outside Maharashtra during the 1991-2001 decade was 1.12 million, which amounted to 54.8% of the
net addition to the population of Mumbai…Now u know where the problem is ????
People who call this place “Bombay” should know The name Mumbai is an eponym, etymologically derived from Mumba or Maha-Amba— the
name of the Hindu goddess Mumbadevi, and Aai — mother in Marathi… Its the motherland for people liivng here..If you cant respect it..u dun
deserve living here..not only here newer on the back of this mother earth…May god help u all ..
What happened in Manipur/ Nagaland ?
Latest once from Manipur… “http://www.sinlung.com/?p=740″ - March 19
14 Hindi-speaking migrants killed in Manipur in overnight attacks…
Why? I guess people in Mumbai / Delhi know very well why ….
What next ? Nasik?? Pune??
U know wat..u ppl remind me of Agent Smiths lines from Matrix “You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area.There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. you are a disease,a cancer of this planet, you are a plague” …..And i know only one way of dealing with it ….. If you don’t kill ‘em..they will kill u …
Angry Indian
098
12:51 am
Wow, Atul…Dude…That was really uncalled for. Your passion is appreciated, but don’t you guys agree that we need to look at this rationally?
Seriously, is there any point discussing whether CS Azad was greater or Savarkar?
For whatever passionate reasons you may have for hatred against another community, one thing is certain. The Law of the land does not allow discrimination. The same law of the land does not allow encroaching.
To all the comment posters on this site I have a small suggestion. Go watch the film “THE GREAT DEBATORS”. My take on it is that argument is made with reason, not with hatred. Hatred blinds you from being reasonable. It also makes you look stupid.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Angry Indian
099
1:02 am
Ujj, I am sorry to say in all the commotion the points you raised were lost. Maybe we all need to step back and look at the title of the post.
I couldn’t help but agree with you more. One doesn’t expect “young and educated” leaders to resort to cheap politics like this. Kind of shatters our belief that young and dynamic politicials like Michael Mukherjee of Yuva will make things better. To be fair to Raj Thackerey (I never get the spelling right), maybe it’s time someone objectively analyzed his side of the story as well.
I would suggest you to make your articles a bit longer, somewhat the size of Shantanu’s articles. Otherwise it becomes more of a forum and gives the impression that you’re stirring up a hornet’s nest to attract ad-clicking but opinionated folks. I am sure that’s not what your intention is.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Angry Indian
100
1:05 am
Apologize, but I couldn’t help but post the 100th comment on this article….
Kudos to Ujj for bringing together so many folks together onto one forum.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Ujj
101
10:05 am
Unlike newspaper articles, blogs are not complete without the comments. Imho Blogs represent a collective opinion and they just cannot be a monologue, there has to be a dialog. I agree some of the points I wanted the discussion to go to were lost, and some of the comments here are objectionable to say the least but that does represent the opinion of people.
As far as listening to his side of the story is concerned, I am all ears for anything other than that old bull crap about migrants destroying the mumbai culture and he’s the superman coming to rescue, also that theres nothing that can explain a young man like this inciting a group of poor men to go out and beat their countrymen.
1conoclast
102
2:23 pm
Pranav,
I don’t like the fact that I have to educate you, but anyway.
Anyone who has gone to jail for the country’s freedom or faced lathi charges (which Nehru & Indira both did) deserve to be respected as freedom fighters.
Apart from that please understand that India achieved till the ’60’s was under Nehru. India’s respect in the International community, India’s voice at NAM & UN summits, India’s agricultural progress, industrial progress etc., however little it was, was under Nehru. It’s easy to look back today & say that he could’ve done better. It’s easy to criticise another human being for being less than perfect. It’s impossible to achieve 1/10th of what he did for India!
Indira was India’s toughest PM. Today Dr. Singh is criticised for being “India’s weakest PM”, despite him being the reason why people have better paying jobs today. The sangh parivar is not happy with anything. They don’t want a toughie like Indira, they don’t want a “weak PM” like Dr. Manmohan Singh! They & their followers are essentially a bunch of spineless bastards. Jis thali mein khaya ussi thali mein chhed karte hain!
So take a hike. I’ve given you another point of view that you may want to share with your friends who poisoned your mind against the Nehru-Gandhi family.
1conoclast
103
2:40 pm
Atul…
Here are a few reasons why it’s beneath me to talk to you any further:
- The Gujju paanwala is the creator of the “thali”! Without people like him, the so-called shelterers would starve to death like they are right now. The relief package came from a North Indian PM. So the “haraamkhor” as you put it isn’t the gujju paanwala, it’s the people he gave employment to, that now want him out. You can’t even see who the real haraamkhor is!
- You didn’t give anyone anything. It wasn’t yours to start with. Every single tract of land in India has my name written on it. No vernacular medium, localite can tell me that it isn’t mine!
- Your spellings are terrible. It’s Lucknow not Lakhnow. Didn’t study Geography in your school? Or was the medium different?
- It’s not my responsibility to educate or reform you. I’m not your teacher or shrink. You’ll have to look elsewhere if you want to know how North Indians contributed to BOMBAY or South Indians before that! If you want to buy into a little political trick, you’re most welcome. Just remember this: You extremists have always lost. Historically! Extremists lost the debate & the elections pre-Independence. Post Independence you still lost to the Congress. You’re criticised by the intelligensia, the elite (which you will never become because of your attitudes!), the media. Everyone hates you! Your voices too will soon die out. The sena is anyway half dead. These revivalist attempts will fail soon.
And History again will remember you failed extremists as just that!!!
- Last reason wy I shouldn’t be talking to you any further: I was warned to never argue with a pig in the dirt: I keep getting dirty, while the pig keeps enjoying it!
Pranav
104
3:06 pm
@1conoclast,
You’re just arguing with me for the heck of it. I said their contribution is debatable. I’m not saying it didn’t exist, but whether it hurt the country or solved it’s problems is and will always be a matter of debate. I have my views and thousands of others share it with me. you have yours and thousands share that view with you. you do understand that is the reason why I called the matter a debatable one, right?
Pranav
105
3:09 pm
again, did you know nehru voted for china to get a permanent un security council seat when it would have otherwise gone to India. This was just before China attacked our borders and rightfully won!
1conoclast
106
3:51 pm
No Pranav I’m not arguing with you just for the heck of it. I feel passionately about people who’ve done something for India & will defend them against any number of myriad allegations.
Imagine a scenario without all the things that were achieved under Nehru’s governance. We could have been far worse off!
Also, I’d rather that the country was in his able hands rather than the hands of those you support or the Left.
Also, Nehru didn’t vote for China to get the seat. He simply declined to accept a seat on behalf of India & suggested that China should get it instead. That’s the version that Shashi Tharoor gave & the media reported. So THAT could be debateable. Also it’s possible that Nehru had reasons for declining it, maybe reasons of Non-Alignment. Maybe the seat came with allegiance strings attached, that’s why he declined it. Maybe he was growing senile. One doesn’t know. That’s what is called debatable! Not your point!
As for thousands buying into a POV, that’s no guarantee of it being the truth. Truth is what appeals to an enlightened human mind. Thousands bought into Hitler’s facist ideals. Does that appeal to your enlightened human mind?
Ketan
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4:01 pm
@Atul..
Dude you REALLY are below beneath.
After reading you rmindless rant, whiuch by the way was a pain to the eyes, i have come to the conclusion that Mumbai should have been given away to the bloody britishers.
We still have people like you who are so narrow minded, and dont frigging understnad the meaning of the word “Cosmopolitan”.
You want all the bloody luxuries of the world but will not take the baggage attached.
Migration is one after effect of civilization. But you wouldn’t know. You dont come across as Civilized in the first place.
@Pranav:
Dude, this is exactly the kind of debate Raj THUGnrey and his croonies want us to have. Argue incessantly about regionslism. We are missing the point of this whole post entirely.
@Angry Indian:
Absolutely. So where did we lose the point of discussion?
@1conoclast:
Lol @ Lakhnow..What a catch!
1conoclast
108
4:47 pm
Ketan,
KICKASS set of responses!
“Civilized”? LOLOLOLOL!!!!! ROTFL!!!
Pranav
109
4:54 pm
1conoclast, now imagine if Patel was made PM and not Nehru.
People like Prakash Karat and Sitaram yechuri also boast of possessing an enlightened human mind,
Seriously, I don’t see a connection between truth and the people’s brains. Truth is what it is, nevermind whom it appeals to.
You seem as awe-struck by Indira as thousands were by Hitler and his propaganda. Indira did great things for India, Hitler did great things for Germany back then. Both wanted absolute power and did very wrong things in the process - the world never needed these fascists, despite their greatness.
I agree with Ketan, no point in furthering this debate. It ends here.
1conoclast
110
5:41 pm
Pranav,
Patel was the one who unified all the princely states into an Indian union. Maybe the language based states idea was his to start with. Ponder over that & maybe that’ll give you some more fodder for imagination.
I’m not awe-struck by Indira. She was human and would’ve had her flaws. I respect her for her achievements. Becoming India’s first lady PM, possessing an iron fist, getting martyred in trying to keep India united.
Hitler in contrast did nothing for Germany. He stole the factories of the Jews, appropriated them for the Nazi party, killed his own people & left them with the stigma of a lifetime! You seem to have lived a very different world than I have, read a very different history, met very different people… Indira was no facist. She just kicked jansanghi butt!
Let the debate end here.
Pranav
111
8:55 pm
aaargh.. I wanted it to end the debate with my post! not fair!
The creation of linguistically divided states was Nehru’s decision, not will. He could have not let it happen. Almost all language based states were created after Patel’s death.
There is so much other wrong that Nehru has done to the nation that I am sure you will find by merely reading a few books, biographies and articles on and off the internet - I am not going to name any, read those of your choosing, but without wearing a blindfold.
As far as Indira goes, she Imposed the emergency, man. !
a reign where “freedom of press was suspended and powers of the judiciary were curtailed.” - Does the liberal you (you went on record stating you are a centrist) like and endorse that? Shame!
The End (from my part at least, I am done with this discussion)
Angry Indian
112
12:49 am
Pranav, Ketan and all you brilliant dudes, check out the article I posted on my site on this issue. Some new food for thought? I’ve tried to analyze it from a human behavior perspective.
http://www.angryindian.com/2008/05/bhaiyya-vs-raj-thackeray-is-your.html
Ujj, I do understand your point on the dialog bit. However, for blogs to mature into meaningful dialog I believe we have to make an attempt at analysis, whether we’re experts or not.. Well, not my business anyway….I guess you have your writing style and I have mine..No right or wrong way to go about it.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.angryindian.com
Ketan
113
1:24 pm
@Pranav: Yeh Melody itni Choclatey kyun hoti hai?
@A.I: Advertising eh dude? Chal ill go and read that also.
1conoclast
114
10:17 am
Look, I grew up reading about the exploits of the Nehru-Gandhi clan.
I grew up in Rajasthan, which had a strong bjp base, where I heard enough criticism hurled at them & stories like Nehru’s clothes used to be sent to Paris for drycleaning!
Which lot do you want me to believe?
I’d rather believe my school books, Indian & foreign authors alike who spoke well of Nehru. To me Nehru is hated by the far right & unfortunately these people have penetrated the media & the book world. They write rubbish about great men & people like you tend to either believe it or are given to focusing on people’s negative traits.
As for Indira, opinion is clearly divided. I told you in my last comment why I respect her. You in your comments give me her negatives. Nobody’s perfect my man, but at least Indira wasn’t the rabid fundamentalist that a lot of today’s politicians are. At least she didn’t encourage hate. Had she been around, there are chances that we’d have seen a blanket ban on the extreme right parties & seen their leaders die in jail. We would’ve had a much cleaner India, devoid of the maara-maari that BOMBAY, Nagpore etc. saw recently. Less hate, less destruction of public property, more discipline. She was good my man…!
I’m hoping you’re really done. Please don’t bounce back with another comment this time!
Vihang
115
10:41 pm
@1conoclast
There is no doubt that Maharashtra has contributed most in india’s freedom movement and later on in the development.
You guys learn what CBSE syllabus teaches you. and i am sure they will never write any good thing abt marathis..coz they hate marathis from the bottom of their heart. On the contrary our syllabus included information on each and every major freedom fighter from all parts of the country…coz we are not biased like you !!! We respect everybody who has fought for this country.. whether Tilak / Savarkar or Bhagatsingh / Chandrashekhar Aazad.
I am visiting this forum after a long time, but i still dont see any change in ur attitude. I have never questioned on contribution of non-marathis. You dont have any right to question ours….. that too without any proper knowledge !!!
I am no longer gonna list down any names.. coz ppl like you, who are narrow minded, will never really accept it, and we dont need to advertise our gr8 history.. Who are you??? We dont need any certificates from you as to how much have we really done for this country.
Jay Hind !!!
Jay Maharashtra !!!
Vihang
116
10:56 pm
@1conoclast
by the way……I am “rockey”.
Oh yes.. i know the spelling. i just misspelled it while i typed my first ever response. i never realized it. Thanx for pointing out my spelling mistakes.
So now u have taken up the job of english teacher as well???
gr8.
Anyways…….. You had mentioned in your earlier posts that “The Mughal empire was in decline when the Maratha Sun rose. That is hardly a show of strength! Lagta hai kamzoron se ladne ki tumhari purani aadat hai!”
Now i really doubt whether you are even educated !!!
Bcoz i cant believe that even CBSE standards have fallen to such an extent.
No….its not.
Mughal empire was in full strength when Shivaji Maharaj started to fight against them. Havent you heard abt Aurangjeb and Adilshah???
Aurangjeb was one of the strongest mughal kings. He couldnt establish rule over maharashtra only bcoz of Shivaji Maharaj.
Anyways…………… i had decided not to speak on this matter before.
But while i was browsing thru earlier posts, i cam across your foolish and ignorant statements…so i couldnt resist posting a reply.
Ujj
117
9:27 am
@Vihag: Your statement
“coz ppl like you, who are narrow minded, will never really accept it, and we dont need to advertise our gr8 history.”
makes me sick. I feel ashamed that the people of my country speak of Maharashtra history as “their”exclusive history. Isnt it the history for the country? Isnt it for my children, for every kid who has the right to learn about the great brave Shivaji, irrespective of where he is born ?
why do we then divide ourselves?
@ujj
118
10:05 am
I was forced to make such a statement bcoz of “1conoclast”.
He is the one who is having a row about marathi ppl’s contribution and their achievements. The actual topic of this discussion forum is completely different.
I think u should go and tell him to stop making biased comments abt marathi ppl.
If u have read my posts, u would realize that i had never questioned on any particular state’s contributions to india. I resepct all states and the religions.
But some ppl here, just cant find any valid points to argue upon and they resort to such cheap ways of criticizing marathis for nothing.
And for this If u feel sick, so be it !!!
1conoclast
119
2:24 pm
Vihang, Rockey etc…
You’re so deluded I’m probably crazy for trying to talk sense to you. Here’s an attempt anyway:
1. WHY on Earth would an “Educational Body” like the CBSE (or ICSE or International A & O levels) “hate” all Marathis??? What possible logic or reasoning are you applying here??? As for who knows more about history (or any other subject), please pay attention to the fact that state boards ALWAYS get less weightage then Central boards. In all probablility, it is your knowledge that is tilted pro-Marathi, not the other way around!
2. Please refer to your comments about education in UP & Bihar (under “Rockey”) before you claim that you’ve not said anything derogatory about them. Read the other comments about non-Maharashtrians in this forum, & then tell me: How is my response different from yours that you’re defending to Ujj? You say something bad about North-Indians & we’re expected to take it lying down. If someone questions our contribution, we will question yours in retrun. It’s that simple. So before you train your guns on me, please ask your other gang-members to shut up.
3. I’m not biased at all. I’d be the first one to acknowledge the contribution of anyone to India’s freedom movement, but I’d also be the first one to LAUGH OUT LOUD at your claim that:
This is a discussion you can have with me in another forum. If you drop me an email (1conoclast@mutiny.in), I’d be happy to discuss the contributions of various states. That is of course, if you still want to keep the country divided by state…
Atul
120
3:58 pm
What in the world makes you people think that I am here to get it to your favorites list??
I don’t need it…
@1conoclast
You sound like those British bum lickers…. “Just because I did my education in English…m superior…”
Go…Get a life dude…there is world out side internet… blogs…& comments…
Frankly speaking ur language and attitude shows your education…
Your parents got u admitted in a English medium school…
1.Either they are so ashamed of their mother tongue… that they dint wanted it to be the medium of instruction for u to study…
2.You don’t have a education system setup in ur mother tongue…or nething to study in Bhojpuri???
You have no clue what you have missed. Literature is sweetest while its in ur mother tongue… u wont know …Understand the word “Mother tongue”…
I am very much proud of learning from Marathi medium. That is my mother tongue…you wouldn’t know how it feels to read those poems in Marathi…
Ur so ashamed of urself that u wont even disclose ur real name … “1conoclast”..now dont do it just coz i said so …..not intrested in knowing u either …
Try reading P.L.Deshpande, P.K. Atre…N.S.Fadke… u will know what quality literature is …I wonder if you could at least read nething other than English.
You never really answered my questions….All you do is get pissed by my response… and blabber something completely irrelevant…Off topic…
As far as History goes…I know my history…Probably time to revise ur own … U DON’T BELONG HERE…
If you feel I am Biased…Irrational…Extremist…Fascist only because I am arguing with you…M more than Happy being one…
As far as “Lakhnow” is concerned …Sh*t remains Sh*t no matter how one spells it …
@Ketan…
If it hurts ur eyes so much dun read it…who is askin u to??
And before laughing out loud @ someone’s spelling… look at ur own …they are not so great either…
@ Vihang
Forget it Vihang…
These ppl are here to make such comments…Cant u read the title of the post??
“Raj Thackrey sucks more”. This was created to abuse Marathi people by these Bhaiyaas…
“Raj Thackrey sucks more”. No matter what their leaders do to them…No matter how corrupt they are…
No matter how many years they ruled… it doesn’t matter if they made no progress…but added to the issues of the state…
Still “Raj Thackrey Sucks more”…
They are willing to argue here… But unwilling to convince their own leaders…Or do some constructive work in their motherland…
They want to celebrate “Chat Pooja” here…If they could put that effort in dealing with crime rate & education in their own state…
Probably the questions wont arise of coming to cities like Mumbai/Pune/Nasik…But “NO”..
They feel good about discussing who has contributed more in struggle for the freedom…talk abt the ppl who died getting them independence.
But are unwilling to accept the fact that their leaders today have made mockery of it…
Here is Lalu’s Record as Politician…
1977: Elected to 6th Lok Sabha at the age of 29.
1980–1989 Member, Legislative Assembly (two terms) of Bihar.
1989: Becomes the leader of Opposition, Bihar Legislative Assembly, Chairman, Pustakalaya Committee, Convenor, Committee on Public Undertakings, Re-elected to 9th Lok Sabha (2nd term)
1990–1995 Member, Bihar Legislative Council
1990–1997 Chief Minister, Bihar
1995–1998 Member, Bihar Legislative Assembly
1996: Lalu’s name springs up in a major scam
1997: parts with the Janata Dal and forms Rashtriya Janata Dal.
1998 Re-elected to 12th Lok Sabha (3rd term)
1998–1999 Member, General Purposes Committee, Committee on Home Affairs and its Sub Committee on Swatantrata Sainik Samman Pension Scheme, Consultative Committee, Ministry of Information and Broadcasting
2004 Re-elected to the 13th Lok Sabha (4th term).Appointed as Cabinet Minister looking after the Ministry of Railways. In 2004, he was elected to the Lok Sabha with his party emerging as a key ally of the Congress.
Not to mention his wife’s tenure as a CM of Bihar …
1.So far 8 PMs (Nehru, LB Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, Rajiv Gandhi, VP Singh, Chandra Shekhar, AB Vajpayee) have come from UP.
Why they could not develop it since independence?
2. How come so called ‘communal’ CM of Gujrat has been able to achieve highest rate of growth in the country within a span of 5/6 years but not the ’secular’ CMs of UP/Bihar who ruled for more than 15/16 years?
3. UP/Bihar are amongst richest states in terms of natural resources. Why then Tatas, BIRLAs or any other industrialists not keen on setting
up large industries there, even though labor is also cheaply available ?
4. Amar Singh of Samajwadi Party always accompanies top celebrities /Industrialists, prominent being Anil Ambani.
Why he could not convince them to invest in his state? Only Anil Ambani is investing something…but that’s because he’s promised free land.
5. it’s a fact that maximum number of Babus (IAS/IPS etc officers) come from UP/Bihar.
Why then these states still remain backward? Because they and their Netas don’t want to uplift their backward state so as to rule
Indiscriminately.
6. Bihar CM Nitish Kumar claims that North Indians contributed to the development of Mumbai.
Why they do not contribute for their own state’s development?
7. Why are Patna / Dhanbad the shabbiest cities in the world ? (Mumbai may join them soon)
8. 36 north Indians were burnt alive in Assam. Where were Sanjay Nirupam, Abu Azmi, Mulayam, Amarsingh, Lalu, Nitish Kumar at that time?
9. Bihar had maximum number of railway ministers. Why then their recruitment is done from Mumbai ?
Its a fact that where there’s money/opportunity, people from different geo/demography rush-in to make fortunes. Mumbai is one such city.
Gujratis, Marwaris, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis flocked to Mumbai for obvious reasons.
Majority of these communities got into skilled, professional, business areas and prospered, contributing to Mumbai’s success.
However, most of the Bhaiyaas resort to and take pride in doing unskilled/unlawful cheap labor such as illegal hawking by occupying
every nook & corner of every footpath, station areas as vegetable/fruit/sing-chana/bhel-pani puri vendors, or auto/taxi wallas
without licenses.
They bribe local authorities and make life of common people miserable due to congestions and rubbish.
They are ruining the tax payer’s money. Of course not to mention about illegal slums.
It is absurd to say that they contributed to Mumbai’s development. If anything, they are retarding/deteriorating Mumbai.
Can our great leaders dare say that Middle-east countries especially Dubai got developed due to laborers from India ?
Its not sons-of-soil v/s north-Indians. Its good-sons-of-any-soil v/s bhiyaas
And we all know what Bihar looks like today ….
So many years in power and what his state has received? But still “Raj Thackrey sucks more”.
Why not Lalu Sucks ?? Or Amarsingh Or Abu Asim Azmi Sucks ??? Or Why not Indian politicians suck ???
Why Raj Thackrey??
Because he wants people who come in this city to become a part of it…accept its culture…Respect the ppl ..Contribute to city’s growth…
There is a old saying in English…When in Rome…do they way Romans do !
Raj Thackrey always asked Marathi ppl in other parts of the country to accept the regional culture…Not to make “Maharashtra” out there …
If you ask them questions abt their contribution u will notice that the answers that come back are
1. Correction of spellings… (This is insanely kiddish… but cant resist…”Nagpur” is the correct spelling…guess that’s not taught in Rajasthan’s Schools)
2. Who fought in getting us the independence…?
3. Not to forget to applaud the comments from supporters…No matter how insane & stupid they are …
4. How good Nehru and Gandhi have been to this country…No Matter what …
5. Call Mumbai – Bombay…Bloody British bum lickers…Just to hurt sentiments of people…
6. Advertise for ur blog By adding ““Raj Thackrey” to its title…
Ketan
121
5:05 pm
@Atul
RESPECT man!!!!
That is, Respect for the lengthiest post ever… I recommend you be admitted to the Mutiny Hall of Rant!
What you just did was not a counter. It was a monologue. A Vagina monologue. Next time around try and make some sense through whatever you want to say. A two liner can make more sense than all that.
You have to be really frustrated to rant like that, and i gather you are one of those unemployed youth we referred to. Who have nothing better to do in life, than to wait at corners for a politico to come and pick you up. If you want to get nasty lets do it.
What attracts North Indians to a state like Maharashtra….Lazy natives!! Lazy natives like yourself, who carry a gutter for a mouth. Keep playing the blame game as much as you like. But the truth of the matter is that is is your ‘types’, and by ‘your types’ I dont mean Marathis, i mean wasted sperm cells like you, who grow up only to create regional nuisnace.
So tell me, how long did it take you to Google and find out all these names…considering that you took quite some time to retort, i assume you had some help from ‘your types’.
Why the fuck is it so difficult for you to accept the fact that Raj Thackrey screwed up? His uncle said so. He simply fucked up. Period.
And some times it is best to shut up! And you know what…screw my spellings too.
Ketan
122
5:10 pm
@Vihang:
” was forced to make such a statement bcoz of “1conoclast”.
“Teach teacher, Johnny ne mujhe kutta kaha teacher”
Grow up Vihang, and argue like an adult. Even your justification reeks of adoloscent hormonal changes.
Control you emotions man.
1conoclast
123
5:16 pm
Atul,
So why are you here…?
To defend raj t? I dont’ think he needs your defense. So why don’t you go on & burn some more buses, break some more shops & taxis. Go on, destroy someone else’s property & burn my hard earned taxpayer money. Obviously since you’ve had a Marathi meduim education, you’re probably not in the tax bracket. You don’t know what it is to see goons burn up your hard earned taxpayer money.
Is that the outside world you are referring to…?
As for my Mother Tongue, answer me this: My Father was a Punjabi Hindu, My Mother is a UP-ite Muslim. So is my Mother toungue, Punjabi or is it Hindi, or is it Urdu?
In case it is Hindi or Urdu, then we beat you hollow at poetry & literature each singlehandedly! Ghalib has always been the Big-Daddy of Poetry, bigger than Shakespeare!
See, your problem is that you don’t have exposure to multiple cultures, only yours. I on the other hand have exposure to multiple cultures, I have experienced the beauty in multiple languages. THAT my friend is what makes me superior.
Just because I choose to call my blog Opinionated or my sign-in name is 1conoclast doesn’t mean that I am ashamed. Your deductions are juvenile (need a dictionary yet?) and impassioned. I stick to the sign-in name on my blog, because it conveys my stance in life.
Forget the guys you’ve mentioned. Even Kiran Nagarkar had to write in English before he earned India-wide fame! If you’re content to live like a frog in the well, please feel welcome to do so. Anyway, the elite has always been a small %age of highly educated, well travelled, thinking human beings with exposure & the means to make a difference. It is that fact that you resent without knowing it.
You don’t have any worthy questions for me Atul. I don’t waste time on Sh*t!
You don’t know any history expect what has been taught to you in your vernacular medium school.
I belong to every part of the world. You don’t have the wherewithal (dictionary?) to stop me.
I know you’re happy being an extremist. It shows.
I’m letting Ketan’s response to you answer the rest of your rant on WHY North Indians are taking over Bombay.
As for the dirt in Bombay, maybe you need to visit the chawls that Marathis have always lived in. Maybe you need to look at the fact that they’re constantly chewing & spitting tobacco.
Maybe you also need to ask why they don’t work, & drink & beat their wives.
Maybe you need to ask how policemen like sunil more exist.
I’m impressed that you at least know one old English proverb.
As for raj’s Marathi demand or his uncle’s mumbai bunch of lies, you can’t fool anyone. Bombay was derived from “Bom Bohia”, Portugese for “Good Harbour”. THAT’s the fact. The fact that “your types” lied & got the name changed doesn’t matter to anyone. It was Bombay & it still is. The funny thing is that a lot of Puneite Maharashtrians STILL call it Bomby. Are you hurting from my overuse of the word yet?
You’re the Brit bum-licker, because you chose to express yourself not in your own Mother tounge, but in a language that gets you your basic needs today.
Bye now. Rant all you want. I’m ignoring you henceforth. I don’t to draft too many negativity filled comments.
Pranav
124
5:23 pm
Reposting Ketan: Yeh Melody itni Choclatey kyun hoti hai?
Not really “commenting” here anymore, but I wish at the same time that comments from this thread never stop flooding my mailbox. It’s a lot of fun reading, really!
1conoclast
125
5:23 pm
KETAN…!!!
What an AMAZING response man!!!
I can’t stop laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1conoclast
126
5:33 pm
As a matter of fact, I am unsubscribing myself from this comment forum.
I had done that earlier too, but my curiousity made me come back to it.
I realize however that this is a pointless, non-value add activity. I am not here to reform anyone, nor am I qualified to do so (read Dr.).
So, to those who want to continue to hate, all the best.
Those who are calling for one-India & one-World, I’m with you.
In fact I’m going to start looking for an NGO that’s active in the field of regional harmony & do some “shramdaan” on my weekends instead of wasting precious time on comment forums like these. At least I’ll meet more of the elite I seek.
Bye for now.
Ketan
127
5:40 pm
@1conoclast:
Aww..man..things were just warming up man..
Where you off to now!
@Pranav:
Answer to dete jao pliss!!
Ketan
128
6:42 pm
@Atul and others:
Ok i am saner and less angrier now.
Have taken a couple of few hundred deep breaths.
The thing here Atul, is that we are doing exactly what the politicians planned for us to do. Fight amongst ourselves.
What is it that we, you or I, are trying to prove?? Can we discount any freedom fighter’s contribution to our independence as zilch just because he belongs to any one particular region? What is it that makes Lal Bahadur Shastri greater or lesser than Veer Savarkar or Shivaji? All have achieved eternal glory! And who can dispute that?
Its not a question of where you belong that is the cause of all this trouble today. The so called leaders that we may have elected, are playing the very old game of divide and rule. It is easier to rule over a few thousand people than it is to rule over a few crores!
It is not a question of whether the Marathi manoos is effected, of whether the North Indian is taking away unwanted jobs. The point here is that atleast someone is doing the job. The soceity is functioning as it is supposed to because of the effort of the collective whole. Not one single community or region.
Corruption is rampant every where there is a politician involved. It could be the North, East , West or South. Name a politician who has not made a little something on the side, and i will rest my argument.
The truth is that we would not be able to survive, if everyone stayed in their natives. We would all be farmers, and I would probably have to barter wheat with you for sugar.
Why do we allow these so called ‘leaders’ to get away with all this non sense? One major reason for this is the extremely low levels of awareness (not education) in the society. The poor man lives from day to day, hand to mouth. Promise him the stars and he will become your slave for life. Only promise.
See what happens when someone actually gives him something. He feels indepted. Somehow he is not connected to the mainstream society in the same manner that you or i are. He may not be earnign enough to pay taxes, may not be sending his children to school because he never went. These are all the things that make these politicians take advantage of the rift between the rich and the poor.
Between you and me. and what happens??Things start getting personal. The “I am better than you” argument begins, and the crowd follows.
At the end of 127 posts what have we achieved? Dis - harmony and dis-content and still more anger and frustration with each other?
Whats the point?
Dharmendra Tambe
129
12:49 pm
Conoclast,
don’t you leave man…its really funny now ..
I have seen and read maximum of you on this post…its not complete,,still you have not proved your point….your superiority over Marathis..
this is the forum where you can shout…jitna chillana hai yahi pe chillao…bahar vaise bhi tumhari phategi…
you know only Kiran Nagarkar, (whom no marathi respect)…its very funny that if you write even some shit in English it becomes chartbuster(it doesn’t mean you are great writer.)..
Reading your posts are real real fun….forget about getting some information,…entertainment to ho jata hai..
pls pls mat jao na ….
1conoclast
130
2:57 pm
Back by popular demand…
Hopefully only for one last comment, unless Tambe pleads again.
I’m here to add to what Atul was asking about why UP isn’t developed.
What makes him think that Maharashtra is?
I didn’t want to bring up the painful subject of the unfortunate farmer suicides, but the sad fact is that these are happening in Maharashtra. Free power, loan waivers all happening here.
The Indian sugarcane hub used to be UP until some years back. One can ask why it stopped being that.
The situation in Maharashtra isn’t all the great today. It compares fairly poorly to states like Punjab, where also UP-Bihar migrant labour exists on the farms.
By driving these labourers out, Maharashtra is only shooting itself in the foot.
To Ketan’s point, I really think we should stop arguing this. My only agenda was to wake up the supporters of goonda parties. In that I may have failed miserably. I am comfortable with that. I now just want to do good work in keeping India united, because with people like the ones I’ve met in this forum, it doesn’t seem likely…
Bye again. Wish me luck.
1conoclast
131
3:17 pm
Sorry… Correction:
UP still leads India in cane sugar produce! India is the second largest producer of cane sugar in the World & UP contributes MOST to our position!
One more point scored over you idiots!
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarcane#Production)
whenlovecomestotown
132
3:33 pm
Iconoclast,
If UP is developed and you really like it there,you should be in UP.
Do fuck off there.We need better quality people here.
Reading your comments confirms that you belong to the cow belt.
Ketan
133
3:51 pm
@whenlove…..
Dude…we are trying to rest this argument here…
Why the hell are you so hell bent on reviving a ridiculous “I-am-better-than-you’ argument.
The leader in question is a jerk..please dont emulate him.
whenlovecomestotown
134
3:55 pm
So you really should be in UP making sugarcane.What made you come to Maharashtra?
whenlovecomestotown
135
3:59 pm
Ketan,
This asswipe[Iconoclast] truly believes that UP is better than MH.I am just trying to persuade him to get back to where he once belonged,so he can have a great time milking those cows or growing sugarcane or whatever the fuck it is that they do up there.
Angry Indian
136
4:24 pm
1conoclast & Ketan, who made you the authority of deciding which state is better, and that too on what parameters? I am deeply saddened by the fact that folks still fight on who’s better, when truth is the condition of both UP and Maharashtra and every other state is worsening.
Ketan, Just because 1conoclast pointed out few sad things about Maharashtra, you got outraged? Even without thinking that what he is saying might be true.
Don’t confuse Pride with love. I love Mumbai, but do I see anything to be proud of? Naah.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Angry Indian
137
4:26 pm
Sorry Ketan, the comment was for whenlovecomestotown.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Ketan
138
5:12 pm
@Angry Indian:
Both parts? Nothing for me?
whenlovecomestotown
139
5:17 pm
Anygry Indian,
Iconoclast typed so much shit about MH above and you did not see a reason to pull him up over it.One bad thing about UP and you are trying to teach me what to say and how to act.
Truth of the matter:::
You cannot compare UP and MH unless you compare MH of 1970 and UP of 2008
The best.
Angry Indian
140
5:35 pm
@ Whenlovecomestotown, I have pulled up 1conoclast on many an occasion, I even did a post on him and we usually agree to disagree on most issues. Ask him he’ll concurr…:-)
http://www.angryindian.com/2008/05/should-we-ban-books-that-criticize.html
You said “Iconoclast typed so much shit about MH”, I think he raised some issues which unfortunately are happening and need to be fixed.
If you raise your voice against issues happening in UP, I’ll support you as well. Unfortunately, you didn’t say anything at all about the issues in UP other than calling it a cow belt (which I’m not sure is an insult)
I am not trying to teaching you anything, or anyone else and if I gave that impression I apologize.
@Ketan - Sorry dude, not even one…..maybe next time…:-)
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
whenlovecomestotown
141
5:45 pm
Angry Indian,
I am not as deluded to think that MH is heaven on earth and UP is hell reborn.India is fucked from north to south.But there are varying degrees of being fucked.And that idiot called Iconoclast needs to realise that or he should catch the first train to UP and grow some sugarcane.
Compared to Amar Singh and Mulayam Singh and Abu Azmi,Raj Thackeray is a God.And as we need to choose lesser evils within India, I have made my choice.
Angry Indian
142
6:03 pm
Actually as far as I remember, Raj Thackeray has no experience, no skills, no achievements. Correct me, if I am wrong.
Why do we choose our leaders based on our whims rather than deep thinking?
Check out these thoughts:
http://www.angryindian.com/2008/05/why-do-we-obsess-about-sonia-gandhi.html
Amar Singh,Mulayam Singh and Abu Azmi are no better either.
And no, we don’t need to choose between the lesser of two evils. Let us stop being “practical” all the time.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
whenlovecomestotown
143
7:00 pm
He does have some plans.Its your slanted view of the ongoings that gives you a bias.If you have noticed both sides of the fence you would know what I am talking about.And definitely better than Amar Singh and Co.
And as long as we have to choose…till then.
whenlovecomestotown
144
7:11 pm
I read the article you have asked me to.All good points,but change has to come from within.People get the leaders they deserve.It is a bit pointless to talk about leaders not being good enough.You and me and the other 3% who chat on such forums can debate endlessly about the quality of our leaders and who said and did what.But,the quality of people who vote them in power has to get better and for that we need a better moral code and good role models.And theres not much on the horizon of either.
Atul
145
11:53 am
I think before all the English speaking liberals pounce on Raj following needs to be addressed.
a. All the UP and Bihari leaders have made their states living hell. They are the reason why people of these states are migrating to Mumbai and Maharashtra. Even after knowing this fact these migrants are hell bent on inviting failed UP/Bihar leadership to Maharashtra to show their political power. If you think I am making this up then all the mumbaikars should go back to Mayawati’s slogan “UP to bas zhaki hai, Maharashtra abhi baaki hai”.
In this context current raucous is of deterrence value to insipid politicians of UP/Bihar who has ruined their state enough to stop having any political ambitions in Maharashtra.
b. Everyone knows that India belongs to all Indians, and no one can stop anyone entering Mumbai. However, this can’t be used as an excuse to general decay of civic amenities in Mumbai. No matter what constitution says it not practically feasible for Mumbai to sustain entire populations of UP and Bihar and if you deny this fact then you are denying constitutional rights of the current mumbaikars, Marathi or otherwise, to have a decent life.
c. As far as, contribution to nation building goes Mumbai and Maharashtra along with rest of India has played their part. We contribute most to India’s exchequer; most of which is being allocated to UP and Bihar. Now, the question arises how come the states which get most of nation’s resources continue to be the poorest ones. The answer to that question is obvious and even Upite and Bihari’s know it. There is no running away from the fact these states are been run by (more) incompetent politicians who squander our hard earn money on rubbish schemes. Its time for rest of the states to ask for accountability from UP/Bihar.
In my opinion, what Raj has done is simply raise these issues with the tone which bahubali politicians from UP/Bihar understand, and dismissing these questions as irrelevant and xenophobic is nothing but shying away from the truth.
Ketan
146
12:10 pm
@ Atul:
Wow…
Now this is what i call a healthy argument.
You are absolutely right when you say that Maharashtra contributes the most to the exchequer….Bal Thackerey once famously commented that “Mumbai’s Mother in law sits in Delhi”
Raj has given a very nasty twist to the campaign his uncle started nearly 40 years ago. Bal Thackerey pleaded with the authorities to check on illegal and unchecked migration in Mumbai. What Raj did, was give it a complete anti North Indian flavor.
Now what about IT professional and students who come to Mumbai? Are they wrong in coming? They rent the atrociously priced flats, pay for the high standards of living.
These people are certainly not the nuisance. What needs to be checked is the illegal and incessant migrations from places like Bangladesh.
1conoclast
147
2:29 pm
whenlovecomestotown…
Your pseudonym is a total misnomer. You’re hate filled buddy. Start from the top & re-read. My comments were in retaliation, in defence of the shit that was being hurled in UP/Bihar’s direction. Just to make everyone hurling that shit wake up to the fact that hurling shit at your fellow countrymen will not lead anywhere. So I hurled some right back at you. Immature you, gobbled it up gleefully! And you have the nerve to call me asswipe?? LOL! Shiteater!
The truth is that neither you nor Atul have answers for the questions I just raised. It isn’t only UP that is screwed. You’re screwed equally, probably worse, probably a little better; but you’re screwed. So instead of throwing shit up north (it’ll come down on you due to gravity anyway!), clean your own house. And that includes getting rid of the the bal t’s & the lotas (read raj)!
You imbecile, you don’t know how much trouble you’re in for comparing raj to God. You have hell coming your way soon. How can any racist bastard ever be like a god???
Face the truth you dolt… you guys are a lazy bunch of no-gooders, which is why you are struggling for jobs whether menial or political. In your pure jealousy (& because you know no other way), you’re hitting out.
Go to the interiors, do some samaaj seva, build your own state, convince the locals to work hard instead of being lazy & then venting your fury at your brothers (All Indians are my brothers & sisters, remember? Or is that a pledge that is taught only in CBSE schools?).
Pick up today’s Indian Express (http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/For-Infosys-growth-will-take-place-outside-Pune/315892/). Read what Infosys & other builders have to say. They’re planning expansion outside Pune, because mns drove their workers away. raj is responsible for slowing down growth in Pune!!! So you guys will continue to wallow in abject poverty, while people from another state will benefit. You call this ch**t a leader???????????
You deserve him!
1conoclast
148
2:41 pm
Ketan,
bal t. did not plead with the authorities. He doesn’t know the meaning of pleading. He initiated an attack on South Indians, broke their Udipi restaurants, drove them away.
This is all they know, this is all they do.
Din bhar gaye ek ke. Doosre ka time bhi jaldi aayega. If there is any hope for India to stay united.
Otherwise the Brits will come & conquer us once again.
1conoclast
149
2:55 pm
And Atul’s claim of MH being the highest contributor the the exchequer needs to be verified. It’s just an empty claim. How can a state that is starving to death, be paying most to the Govt.?
Please read this:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1339778/mining_firms_among_top_tax_payers_in_india/index.html
Most mining companies are in Bengal, Bihar & Orissa…
Facts people facts… Don’t believe these rogue politicoes or their blind followers.
Ketan
150
3:21 pm
Yep..
It does need to be verified!
Angry Indian
151
3:26 pm
Atul, interesting points. I have a few arguments to put forth:
1. A Bihari or a person from UP does not migrate to Maharashtra. Please don’t confure migration to Mumbai to be migration to Maharashtra. People would migrate to Mumbai irrespective of whatever state it would be in, simply because Mumbai being a big financial hub attracts talent whether it is talent to crunch numbers for a stock boker or talent to drive a rickshaw. Delhi attracts these people too, only the civic administration on Delhi has been effective in fighting encroachment and the city has really evolved in the last 5 years.
2. I agree that civic administration of Mumbai has decayed. But the way you put your argument is incorrect.What exactly do you mean by Mumbai bearing the burden of entire UP or Bihar? Do you think there is no industry / employment in those states? Do you think people from UP/Bihar don’t go to Delhi or Kolkata? I have seen similar encroachments happening in Delhi & Kolkata, but never the locals of those states react with such violence and hatred.
3. As far as Mumbai contributing most to the exchequers is concerned, I agree it does. Simply because industry was encouraged in these states right from independence days. However, what if tomorrow Bihar & Bengal stop selling you coal and steel. Will Mumbai be able to afford the international prices or “buy” electricity from the international market? You cannot monetize everything. People from Bihar may argue that they have the highest coal resources, yet their state gets a raw deal.
4. Mumbai has many non marathis who contribute to Mumbai’s contribution to the exchequer. Deduct the amount from the fund and you’ll see maybe Mumbai does not contribute much.
Radicals outrightly praise Raj Thackeray. Moderates praise him subtly saying at least he raised an issue. If he had to raise an issue he could have done it the right way. He chose to go down the wrong way.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
whenlovecomestotown
152
4:36 pm
Iconoclast,Elastoplast or wtv the fuck,
1.Why are you in MH?Because you love our state?If you love UP and it is doing better,please go there.
2.We are neither jobless nor desperate.We are doing very well.Thanks very much.But we are used to a certain standard of living.And your bretheren have flooded our dear state like theres no tomorrow.So please go back to where you come from.
3.I have agreed above that in India there are varoious stages of being fucked,but compared to UP,MH is paradise.
4.Someone from UP does not need to teach us about Samaj Seva.We still are the most community focussed group of people within India.I agree entirely that MHtrians are not enterprising ,but others would also need to agree that they have a better sense of morality.[As we are generalising...why the heck not...go all the way].In case you are about to google morality, let me tell you what it means[cos as you are from Lucknow,you are unlikely to know it[I can see your thought bubble...""ummmmm...ye morality ka cheez hai bhai"""],it means the ability to distinguish between right or wrong..yeeeee..who says the internet isnt educational.Now you have something to teach your bretheren.
5.I can see you rubbing your hands in glee at every bad news about MH that comes out.You might find 10 more such articles.But you CANNOT compare UP and MH.UP is way behind.
Compared to any UP leader,Raj IS God.
And if you dont like MH you should go where you belong,amidst the grazing cows.
whenlovecomestotown
153
4:48 pm
Angry Indian,
Regarding your comment no.152…this is exactly the kind of argument I dont like.
People start their arguments with:
“If you take Mumbai,Pune and Nagpur out of MH”which is quite ludicrous really.Its like saying if you take Lucknow out of UP all you will have is cows.Migration from other states is not confined to Mumbai alone.Pune,Aurangabad,Nagpur,Nasik,Kolhapur ,and even smaller places like Satara and Sangli are bearing the brunt of mass exodus from UP and Bihar.Although I agree that poor people go to these places to make a living and we should not put any restrictions on people going wherever they like,something needs to be done to address this issue.And the root cause[UP,Bihar]needs to be addressed.
Also,arguments such as who did what and who contributes how much is time consuming and beyond the scope of this article.
1conoclast
154
5:09 pm
whenlovecomestotown, WHENYOUCOMETOCLOWN, whatever…
1. I am in MH, because it happens to be one part of India. Just one part, no more, no less. And because I have a constitutional right to be here. And because there aren’t enough qualified workers here, so they invite people from outside to come & set up base here. To teach the locals how to do better at work & climb the corporate ladder. Want more reasons?
2. See response to 1. above.
3. MH is heaven. Last I heard, there were no unfortunate farmers killing themselves in UP. May God bless their poor souls, but you guys couln’t even take care of your own, what can a poor outsider expect from you. You’re welcome to shove your paradise where the sun don’t shine!
4. You can’t teach anyone morality. For your information “Hinduism” has it’s roots in North India. Every single right from wrong that you know of probably came to you from Benaras etc. Plus your state has rapist policemen & father of the nation killers. You don’t even have the right to begin speaking of morality!
5. The only time UP is behind MH, is when MH is desirous of a gay escapade!
Oh, I like MH. It’s a beautiful state, green, sea-kissed etc. etc. What I don’t like is people like you & your leader, who sighs in gay ecstacy when you lick his arsehole from behind! Go on with your “worship” please!
Angry Indian
155
5:47 pm
whenlovecomestotown, as long as we’re looking at issues positively, I believe there’s hope. After partition, we of the mainland suffered the brunt of mass exodus from Pakistan & Banglaesh. Maybe following Raj’s logic, we should have asked them to go back? I agree with people from UP & Bihar, we can ask them to leave, but it’s still a very shabby and shoddy solution, don’t you think? We have forum like this not only to vent our opinion but also to find an amicable solution. I am not ready to give up on this country and it’s countrymen yet, whether they’re from UP or Bihar or Maharashtra, are you?
1conoclast, we need to stop externalizing things and refer to people as “your people”. People in India are “our people”, whether you live in MH or UP and it’s upto us to make things better for them.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Ketan
156
6:03 pm
@Angry Indian:
I totally agree when you say that we need to externalize people.
@Whenlove…
Now let us see what the north has given to Maharashtra:
1. Bollywood? Kapoors, Bachans? SRK? Roshans? Chopras? Enough
2. Rickshaw walas? Taxi Walas? Kaam wali bai? Dhoodh wala bhaiya? Dhobis? Sabji wala?
3. the suffix ‘Wala’
And th elist goes on..So you see, there is really no point in going on and on and on about he same ridiculous ‘I am better than you’ issue.
Maharashtra is only 1 of many states of India (like 1conoclast pointed out).
Shiddiding cookie monsters
157
6:04 pm
Hinduism has it’s roots in central asia, according to some historians,
Besides, people who study world religion, have reasons to not classify Hinduism as a religion at all, but an umbrella term for various inter-related religions that share similar culture, it’s like putting Christianity, Islam and Judaism togeather and calling it “jordanism” (named after the river where the three religions were founded/practiced the most - In hinduism’s case, the river sindhu)
According to http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Tax-collection-in-Mumbai-goes-up-60/289678/ - the FM says mumbai pays a third of the nation’s total tax.
What I don’t like about this debate is lack of factual basis for argument
unlawfulness by migrants will not be tolerated by locals - in any part of the globe, even if the locals are as unlawful. it’s human nature.
Shiddiding cookie monsters, all.
Shiddiding cookie monsters
158
6:06 pm
those who want mumbai to be a separate state, say aye.
whenlovecomestotown
159
6:11 pm
I never suggested people should be sent back forcefully.People who do not like it here[wink wink],should go back though.
I was suggesting,that politicians from UP and Bihar should be forced to do something to make their states get better,to stop the exodus.
Regds Mumbai,we need to have a ID card like system,where every new entrant [MH and non-MH] to the city,needs to have it to gain employment.Thats what they have enforced in Shanghai apparently[How they can regulate it in Mumbai,is beyond me and it is a proverbial can of worms,but...]
I am not naive enough to think that Raj is not doing this for political mileage.But his voice resonates with many others,with whom he seems to have struck a chord.
whenlovecomestotown
160
6:16 pm
sorry ,my comment above was for Angry Indian
1conoclast
161
6:22 pm
Ah things seem to be settling down…
Angry Indian,
It may help if you read Ketan’s definition of “your people”. It doesn’t refer to all MH-ians. It refers to the breed that raj’s rant struck a chord with.
That one comment of Ketan’s really does say it all.
I have no hatred of MH-ians, but when someone understands only the language of rubbish, what does one do?
You’ve only come here recently. If you wanna know my stance more, you may want to extensively go thru my blog, my posts on the mutiny & my comments in various forums across the blogosphere. I am the first one to call for peace & all-accepting love. I am human however. When I see rubbish, I can’t help myself for too long…
Go to the beginning of this forum, see how my comments started out, and ask yourself whether some of the folk here weren’t literally begging for it.
whenlovecomestotown
162
6:23 pm
Shidding Monster Cookies,
Fuck no aye,If you love your balls go now in silence.LOL
whenlovecomestotown
163
6:32 pm
Ketan,
I agree.Theres a uniform distribution of geniuses and morons across the country.But dont even get me started on Bollywood.
1conoclast
164
7:21 pm
For anyone who wants to start another discussion on regional superiority, please go here first:
(http://1conoclast.blogspot.com/2007/12/racist-friends.html)
Angry Indian
165
7:44 pm
Guys, I think we’ve been going on too long on your-side-of-the-story vs my-side-of-the-story. I’ve decided to do a round of investigative journalism..:-) and find out if there’s any truth to Raj’s claims and if there is a problem, then how big is it. Cannot happen without going out on the streets of Mumbai. The thing is, as whenlovecomestotown pointed out, Raj’s statements have struck a chord and there are thousands of people who believe what he is doing is correct. We cannot dismiss that as bullshit, without finding out why.
My intention is to publish a multi-part story on AngryIndian.com wherein I will go around Mumbai speaking to hawkers, policemen, MNS workers, the common Marathi manoos, taxiwallahs etc…
Yesterday was day 1, went to Andheri station and have published my thoughts on my site. If anyone of you has similar expeiences, do write in to me at feedback@angryIndian.com
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Kislay
166
6:43 am
Very Interesting Debate . Very Complicated Issue . Mumbai IS groaning under the weight of so many people . But the migrant workers just cannot be thrown out of the city . The violence used by MNS cannot be justified . And on a side note , the Pakistanis and the Chinese must be ecstatic over all this infighting . I do wonder why the media is not focussing on the source , the root cause of all this mayhem . The jackasses who have been ruling UP and Bihar for the past 10-20 years . The railway minister who is being hailed by the media like the financial genius of the century, why do people forget that it was under his regime that the state of Bihar was rotting . These jokers deserver a part of the attention , at least. What else was the poor worker supposed to do ? Not just the worker, people from all the classes moved near and far , to foreign countries, to Delhi,Kolkata,Bangalore,Gujerat,Indore and of course Mumbai. I was born and brought up in Bihar , but I studied in Manipal and I most certainly am going to work outside my home state . God help me if I get posted in Mumbai , the way things are , it seems that I will mauled or murdered for being a Bihari . Btw , people here were discussing whose state produced more freedom fighters , and whose contribution was more significant than whose ,it absolutely pathetic and ridiculous ! And of course , what the hell is North-Indian ? Or a South-Indian ? I thought I was an Indian . Coming back to the burning issue , this has become one hell of a political circus where nobody seems to be coming up with a realistic,pragmatic,implementable solution . What is the solution to this , my fellow Indians ?
Nitin
167
4:16 pm
Raj thackrey is absolutely right is backing the Marathi Manoos, and if some idiots think that Marathi people cannot do their work, boss you are living in a wrong perciption. I think we should stop all these Hindi News channel across maharashtra. No need of these Bastards.
Also now what the Gujjars are doing is this acceptable, are they not protesting for reservation for ST. Than waht Raj had done wrong, why the media is now not say “Phir Ugle Gajjars Leader ne Aag” kun, abhi aag tham gaye tumahare channel ki.
Media pl stop or some day some people may have to give their lives for working in news channels.
Shiddiding cookie monsters
168
5:21 pm
It’s raj’s birthday someday in june, it seems that for 365 days since then, MNS workers are going to track north-indians like the FBI, and report every illegal-ish activity to the authorities. That’s how they plan to get them get out of the state.
What does everything about this?
1conoclast
169
6:58 pm
Angry Indian,
While yours is definitely a far more extensive exercise, I did a little bit of this myself immediately following the ruckus. I was talking to a chaiwala outside my office. I generally chatted with him in my borken Marathi & asked him to correct me whenever I went wrong. He asked me how I hadn’t picked up Marathi. I told him that in 16 years in Maharashtra (specially the 12 in Bombay), I hadn’t NEEDED to speak the language. I didn’t even hear much of it around. It’s only in Pune that one hears a little more of it owing to the more Maharashtrian nature of Pune. (In cosmopolitan Bombay there’s no place for Marathi. What these guys are doing is forcing it down the average Bombayites throat! They’re trying to CHANGE Bombay’s cosmo nature to Maharashtrian. Sad. It’ll be like the Taliban destroying the Bamiyan statues in Afghanistan to give the place a new culture.) Anyway…
His response was this: “NOW they will need Marathi in Bombay! raj t will do something”.
Then I asked him if he thought what was happening was right. (My fault!)
He said: “Of course! If people will come from outside & do jobs for Rs. 50 that are done for Rs. 100 normally, won’t there be a problem?”
I thought that was very enlightening. What they’ve been “fed” is that not only their jobs but also their income is being negatively affected because someone is willing to do it cheaper!
I thought China makes cheaper goods. India’s BPO & IT industries survive on cheaper labour. Competition is good for the consumer of goods & services-us!, says Economics in class X! You & I can understand this, but not poor illiterate, intemperate them!!! And you have a joker who’s issuing irresponsible statements for political gains. He doesn’t care about the economy or the consumers. He cares about votes. This was his last ditch effort to salvage his floundering political career!
C’mon, even I can stand up & talk to the poor Indians & put the blame on the Marathas for first losing the war to the Brits, then putting our country thru 200 years of hell as a result of that, then shooting Gandhiji, then targeting South Indians & later North Indians!!! I can by saying this & other stuff create ill will against the Maharashtrians all across the country. And win a seat or two. But will I do this to my own countrymen? No! Why? Because there’s a difference between my upbringing & raj’s. That’s why!
Nitin…
Very irresponsible closing statement. Respect man respect!
Rocky
170
9:13 pm
@1conoclast
>>C’mon, even I can stand up & talk to the poor Indians & put the blame on the >>Marathas for first losing the war to the Brits, then putting our country thru 200 >>years of hell as a result of that, then shooting Gandhiji, then targeting South >>Indians & later North Indians!!!
So now u will blame maraths for putting this country thru 200 years of hell !!!
What the hell others (north & south indians) were doing then???
Infact ur comment proves (what i had said before) that maratha kingdom was the last kingdom to go down !!! We fought till the end. We tried our best.
What you said is very irresponsible. Now u r playing blame game when u have nothing to argue.
Angry Indian
171
9:25 pm
Guys, why are we obsessing with our past? I think it’s safe to assume that Maratha or Bengal or any other Kingdom were not really fighting for India, but for their own kingdoms. An average Indian realized the concept of nationality vaguely after 1857 and then more concretely after the First World War.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Rocky
172
10:02 pm
@Angry Indian
Well, i dont see any reason for blaming marathas here.
anyways. this 1conoclast seems to contradict himself.
Earlier he deined contribution of marathi ppl. now he is saying that
they were the last kingdom to go down !!!
He acknowledges marathas and blames them for loosing to british.
What the hell he is trying to say??? If marathas defeat against british let them establish rule over india, then it follows other kingdoms had already surrendered !!! 1conoclast seems to be totally confused.
I stood by point though. that Marathas have contributed to a great extent in india’s freedom movement.
1conoclast
173
10:56 pm
Rocky (I welcome the correct spelling)…
You silly silly boy…! Read my comment. I said that I wouldn’t do anything like that, even if it were the easiest way to get votes. Samajh toh le poori baat mere bhai…!
As for the last kingdom to go down, that was in reference to your comment, not verification of history.
You’re misreading everything today…
nitic
174
11:30 am
Does regional feeling in majority of Maharahstrians have surpassed the National feeling? I think its the problem of social orientation adn upbringing. I have lived in UP, Bihar, Delhi, Haryana, TN, Karnataka, Pune and Mumbai. But the kind of regional behaviour I see in Maharashtra, I couldnt percieve or felt on other parts. UP and Bihar has totally no regional feeling, thanks to the national leaders it gave, but due to this it has sufferred a backlash. If the leaders from those region had the feeling for “son of the soils”, the picture would have different. Bihar gave coal and Iron on subsidised rate under Freight Equalisation System (FES) for 50 years to Mahrahstra, Karnataka, TN and Gujarat to set up Industries and have power to run them. But who cares, Kick out Biharis. What Raj T is doing is called “ghettoisation of Maharashtrians”. India is an over populated country and everyone needs to think about it. People like Raj T are selfish goons. For decades people of Bihar and UP have done all kinds of jobs for this city. Be it construction work, working in industry, driving auto rickshaw, selling vegetables,,etc,etc. Now when things have developed Raj T and his supporters are asking these people to leave Maharahstra. They work hard and earn like any Indian doing, kisi kee pocket to nahi maar rahein hain. And if they are making slums and encroaching footpaths, what is BMC and administration doing. They are equally participating in facilitating such acts. Traffic police guys take small bribes when Auto Rickshaw or taxi guys are caught on a fake permit. So, who is responsible? People have poisoned their minds against each other’s community. Very soon a new civil war will take place. Just wait and watch.
Ketan
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11:41 am
@Nitin:
Wow man!!!! You so totally deserve Raj Thacjerey and his fprimitive governing style!!
You should actually be renamed the ‘Manhoos Marathi Manoos “, and for clarity’s sake, by YOU i mean , only YOU, the shithead of a face you see every morning in the mirror, and no one else.
But have you heard that old saying ” talking to a brick wall”? or if you so prefer is Marathi …
“Uchhali jeebh ani lavli talya var”
@Nitic:
Total respect man
@Rocky:
We never played the blame game dude. WE havent reached so far without without a solid argument.
nitic
176
3:01 pm
@ Ketan
Thanks for supporting my views.
I have a great idea. It will bring a sense of Unity among us. Why dont we make a group of people from UP, Bihar, delhi, Maharhastra, Gujarat and a south India. 7 guys and we paln to do some charity work in Bihar. find out its problems. It will send a strong signal to all who are playing jingo card and will also serve as Unity flag.
Atul
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7:32 pm
“Civil War”
I was actually thinking of quitting on this thread …
Neways…
@Nitic…
My friend its not the about regional feeling. Its about what the leaders from North have been incompetent in doing.Read the title “Why Raj Thakrey sucks more (than ???)”
I agree to the fact that freedom fighters from North have given a lot to this whole nation. But that doesn’t mean it gives the right to the people from North to destroy what is available right now.
As far as the states you have named I don’t agree.
I have recently been to Bangluru and Chennai and trust me scene there isn’t so pleasant.
Common man there doesn’t even understand Hindi forget about “One Nation feeling”.
For states like UP/Bihar is concerned. My family happens to own some business property.
Our units have only booked losses in last 12 years. The only reason the business has survived so far is because of the profits made in Mumbai, Nasik, Pune, Akola, Nagpur. We can’t get rid of those units in Bihar as they have to be there in order for us to keep up the supplies in Northern part of the country.
Robbery/Loot in those places is something as regular as Power cuts in rural MH.
Bahubalis pick stuff out. Fill their jeeps and walk out as if its their own back yard. If you try and stop them you are “dead”. I mean actually dead. Police is a good part but only for consolidation. All they can do is offer a shoulder to cry on nothing more.
Last time a complain was made the guard was found dead on a Railway track termed as suicide .His family is still crying for justice.
This is where the leaders of North have failed and failed miserably.(I wonder how Lalu has managed to book profits in loss making Indian Railways. Investigation is on… We will soon get the results. And if he was so capable how come Bihar is what it is today.)
I REPEAT this isn’t regional feeling it’s about protecting your home and if that is termed biased, irrational, extremist, fascist so be it
This is city is our home. We don’t like people coming to our home like guest and ruin it.
Take undue advantage of the people’s welcoming nature.
Read my first post. I am not against the migration. I am against the misuse of resources and “Mumbai mere baap ki attitude”.
This row against Bhaiyyas hasn’t come in a day it was there in everyone’s heart. Raj just gave it a voice. An opening
If Bal Thakrey hadn’t pulled up the issue in 60’s you might have had to learn Kannada & Telugu to survive in Mumbai.
If “Civil War” was something that could happen in India. The first place to make it happen will be UP/Bihar due to their current situation.
“Independence”
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj taught people meaning of word independence, till then whole of this India was enjoying their “Gulami” under Afghani’s and Mughals. Rest is history.
This is part for Iamaclownoclast (ha..ha..ha) and the rest who feel MH’s economic superiority isn’t a Fact.
As for claims for MH’s economic contribution …. here is a brief …
Maharashtra is India’s most developed and urbanized state, contributing 15% of the country’s industrial output and 14.7% of its GDP.
Whereas Bihar is the 12th largest Indian state in terms of geographical size, ranked 14 out of 28 in terms of state GDP (Rs.94251, Crores. Lalu eat in the Fodder scam Rs 950 Crores US $ 210 million which isn’t included in this)and the 3rd largest by population.
Despite recent economic gains of India Bihar still has a per capita income of $148 a year against India’s average of $2,538 and 30.6% of the population live below the poverty line against India’s average of 22.15%.
Now take your pick What were these Bhaiyyas good at ?
Favorable economic policies in the 1970s led to Maharashtra becoming India’s leading industrial state.
Over 41% of the S&P CNX 500 conglomerates have corporate offices in Maharashtra. In 2007 Maharashtra reported a revenue surplus of INR 810 crore.
Maharashtra is second most urbanized state with urban population of 42% of whole population. Maharashtra’s is India’s leading industrial state contributing 13% of national industrial output. 64.14% of the people are employed in agriculture and allied activities.
Almost 46% of the GSDP is contributed by industry. Major industries in Maharashtra include chemical and allied products, electrical and non-electrical machinery, textiles, petroleum and allied products.
Other important industries include metal products, wine, jewellery, pharmaceuticals, engineering goods, machine tools, steel and iron castings and plastic wares.
Food crops include mangoes, grapes, bananas, oranges, wheat, rice, jowar, bajra, and pulses.
Cash crops include groundnut, cotton, sugarcane, turmeric, and tobacco.
The net irrigated area totals 33,500 square kilometers.
Mumbai, the capital of Maharashtra and the business capital of India, houses the headquarters of almost all major banks, financial institutions, insurance companies and mutual funds in India.
India’s largest stock exchange Bombay Stock Exchange, the oldest in Asia, is also located in the city.
It has the largest proportion of taxpayers in India and its share markets transact almost 70 per cent of the country’s stocks
After successes in the information technology in the neighboring states, Maharashtra has set up software parks in Pune, Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, Aurangabad, Nagpur and Nasik, Now Maharashtra is the second largest exporter of software with annual exports of Rs. 18 000cr (20% of India’s software exports).
Maharashtra ranks first nationwide in coal-based thermal electricity as well as nuclear electricity generation with national market shares of over 13% and 17% respectively.
Maharashtra is also introducing Jatropha cultivation and has started a project for the identification of suitable sites for Jatropha plantations
Mumbai has the best connectivity to the world and within India. No wonder, the Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport (CSIA) in Mumbai is the biggest and the busiest airport India.
Mumbai is India’s link to the world of telecommunications and the Internet.
VSNL (Now Tata Teleservices) is the terminal point in India for all telephone and internet traffic.
Mumbai is India’s flagship port destination. Mumbai is home to the Indian Navy’s Western Command (INS).
Something for Indira Fans: When India was falling into an autocratic rule during the regime of Indira Gandhi, the main thrust to the movement to hold elections came from Bihar under the leadership of Jaya Prakash Narayan makes me sad that there are still people from same land supporting her and turning down JP’s contribution.
Rocky
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10:26 pm
@Atul
What a reply man !!! Hats off to you !!!
These ppl like 1conoclast must accept the truth no matter how bitter it is for them.
Well, i remember “1conoclast” quoting this
“So why are you here…?
To defend raj t? I dont’ think he needs your defense. So why don’t you go on & burn some more buses, break some more shops & taxis. Go on, destroy someone else’s property & burn my hard earned taxpayer money. Obviously since you’ve had a Marathi meduim education, you’re probably not in the tax bracket. You don’t know what it is to see goons burn up your hard earned taxpayer money.”
@1conoclast
WTF is that??? I also completed my basic education thru marathi medium.
and for your kind information i do pay a lot of tax to our government……
I am working in a big finance based IT company. Get ur facts right !!!
If you think that ppl educated thru marathi medium cant grab big jobs and mint lot of money, go and check all IT and finance companies employee records…..
more than 60% off staff in my company is marathi and we are a leading finance organization !!! Obviously you are a big ignorant fool…
ppl like u think that they r the only smart ppl out there……You dont have any right to insult marathi ppl…..
Pranav
179
10:50 pm
One of the main reasons I am against immigrant workforce here in Bombay, is because my small IT business was virtually destroyed, unlike 1conoclast’s paanwalla, by these so called immigrant white collar workers with a long tail of degrees like B.Tech and MCAs.
I used to have a 100% maharashtrian work force (which included north indians, gujaratis, etc, who are actually mumbaites and not from outside).
Later, as these people moved on, All I could hire for my money was immigrant north Indian IT workers from the UP, MP and Bihar, some were good, most will take a leave on a 1 day notice, quit the job and tell you a week later. No ethics whatsoever. Bombay people - no matter their medium of education, were way more ethical than that. Bombaites in bombay wanted to make a career, the immigrants are here to take their careers and ruin them by offering to work at lower costs, all they are interested in making short term money - however possibly they can.
My advice to employers in Bombay, don’t get impressed by the resumes of these immigrants, most of their education is worth nothing when they haven’t got any ethics of how work is done. Don’t get me wrong, some of these people are very good, my GM is a UPite from agra and is exceptionally brilliant at what she does - but both of us now think twice before hiring a north indian after what happened in the past 12 months in our company because of the influx of such well-educated CVs from the north that we were fools enough to offer jobs to.
Pranav
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10:58 pm
@nitic - sounds like you have a plan, I’d be interested in knowing more about your idea - pranavchavda at gmail dot com
nitic
181
11:24 pm
@ Atul
I wont blame you for your frivolous nature of knowledge and shallow observing power.
I dont how much educated you are to stand for this debate. But still I will take a chance.
You just dont know anything about the history of Economics in India. In 1949, Bihar was no. 2 in Industrialisation, till FES was applied. TATAs and DALMIAs were there. Tata is still there but all the ancillary indudstry either didnt come or shifted. As we all know that business class of India is Marwaris and Gujratis. So, on the pretext of Bengaluru doesn’t have feeling of “One Nation”, Raj T is also instilling the same feeling in the people of Maharashtra. What you are talking about Bihar that you will be dead and you will be extorted by Bahubalis is the same blabbershit what media has spoon fed people like you. Its not your fault. Go and see Patna would be the next big thing in coming decade. They are opening IITs, IIMs, NIFT, Central University, IT parks, etc. All these thingsa re already there. Things are changing and its your country. Aren’t u a Bihari? I dont know what happened to your unit, etc. thats a small thing.
Oh!! You think Mumbai is your home. I dont how come you afford to keep so much of garbage near Shivaji park, Dadar Station areas, Peddar road, Haji Ali, etc. These areas have mostly Maharahstrians or so called Mumbaikars are putting up. Why dont you ask Chembur slum dwellers where only Marathis live to keep their areas hygienic. Dude BIHAR HAS HELPED MAHARASHTRA TO GROW, I KNOW THIS STATEMENT WILL HURT YOU THE MOST. BUT THIS THIS IS THE TRUTH. when labours fled Nasik, Manmad and Pune. Maharashtra registered losses in tune of couple of hundred crores, where were was MNS supporters. Why Pune Construction companies had to close down? Go and ask Dinkar rao Patil, congress Chief from Nasik. He gave shelter to scores of laboureres on behest of Builders in Nasik. I was in Nasik on 25th of Feb and visited a few Industries. I could see the lull after the labourers left. Why arent you stopping people coming to Mumbai from Nanded, Latur, Gadhchiroli, Chadarpur, Sangli?? Because they come from parts of Maharashtra. Right? Right? But you dont want people coming from other parts of India. Wah re Maharahstrian Wah, isko kehte hain gatar ka medhak. So, u r protecting your home. Why are you not removinng pimps form your house operating from Kamatipura in Mumbai and Budhwar peth in Pune. What are you doing about the underworld in your house. What about the slums erected by BMC and Mumbai police in your backyard. What about the farmers of Vidarbh whose bodies are lying on your terrace(more than 30,000 suicides in 12 years).
Maharahstra is India’s most urbanized state. Right? Who are the people living in Urban areas. Maharastrians??? No man. Those miselry people would still look for working daughter-in-law to run their family and would live in 1 room kitchen bathroom no matter how big is their bank balance.
Industrial output is 14.7%, but who runs them?? We all know.
Lalu engulfed 950 crores in Fodder scam. Why dont you ask Chagan Bhujbal about 72,000 crores Stamp case Scam and Harshad Mehta Scam in 1990 in tandem with local politicians.
Mumbai is a financial capital of India, But You should have some insight into the financial planning policies Since 1950. Are you erudite enough to discuss on this or simply interested in copying and pasting some statistics to which you have not contributed a dime. You know what I am proud of being a Mumbaiyya from Bihar. Patna is full have Mallus , marwaris and bongs you must go there and live there to have a feeling of nation.
All your listing about Maharashtra this and Maharashra that really makes me feel proud of my country. I really didnt that My Maharahstra is doing so well. People like you should be send to ghettos.
“When India was falling into an autocratic rule during the regime of Indira Gandhi, the main thrust to the movement to hold elections came from Bihar under the leadership of Jaya Prakash Narayan makes me sad that there are still people from same land supporting her and turning down JP’s contribution.”
Now this is again “chu……pa” Mere bhai isko ke upar bhee thoda internet par search kiya hota. Itna sab copy paste kiya toone.
@ Rocky
Whatever Atul said is really impressive na…??
Ha ha ha ha..
I know ignorant people are awestruck when they get to know small little things and thats also shallow in nature. Enjoy your superficial existence Guys.
WE HAVE TO CO-EXIST IN THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER FOR EVERYTHING. IF MAHARASHTRA GIVES JOB TO PEOPLE, OTHER STATES GIVE OTHER RESOURCES. LIVE AND LET LIVE ELSE WE ALL WILL HAVE TO REPENT IN FUTURE.
nitic
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11:33 pm
@ Pranav
I dont agree you on work culture and ethics. I have worked in a few Film Production Houses in Andheri, with the main guy a Maharashtrian Brahmin and he would never hire a locla Marathi fellow. According to him they doesnt have passion to learn and want everything on platter, and according to him people coming from North are more capable and have fire in their belly as they have better communication skills and are go getter.
As you are mentioning the term Immigrants, I dont know who do you think is an “immigrant”, firstly No Indian can be an Immigrant inside their own country. If for the sake of convinience you have used this term, then who is immigrant according to you? Some one coming fmor UP, Bihar, Delhi, South?? Or soem one coming form Other districts like Nasik, Amravati, etc. Or soem one coming from Vashi to settle in Napean Sea road??
Vishal Gambhir
183
11:40 pm
Uttar Pradeshis and Biharis smell and should be kicked out of my state.Breed like cockroaches and create filth.Make Maharashtra a seperate state so all the scum of this earth can be destroyed once and for all.All you haters,get out of our Mumbai.Tumchi aai up ani bihar madhe jaun ghala,ikde tumchya aaicha kai kaam aahe?
Jai Rajasaheb Jai Maharashtra
Kislay
184
12:30 am
@Vishal Gambhir
Thanks man . Your comment made my day . I am really glad to know that a fellow Indian of mine thinks I am the scourge of the earth and deserve annihilation .
nitic
185
1:10 am
@ Vishal Gambhir
Man. I am really worried about your mental health. Whya re you jealous of the success of Biharis and UP walas. Have you heard this muhavra “KUTTA BHOWKE HAZAAR HAANTHI CHALE BAZAAR”
MUMBAI MERI HAI, MAIN EK BIHARI HOON, BOL KYA UKHAD LEGA…HA HA HA HA..
Pranav
186
1:34 am
LOL @nitic, how can you disagree, when I offer MY OWN FIRST HAND experience to you. There is nothing to disagree! this is what I experienced, and I wrote about it. My experience was exactly the opposite of the Andheri film guy. His experience may be different than mine, his industry is too.
Educated (degree-wise only, not actually) folk from north india have stuffed the IT and web industry in mumbai with themselves, leaving employers no choice but to hire them and suffer their lack of work ethics, passion and need to build a career.
For the record, I am not an ethnic marathi - but definitely a maharashtrian, mumbaikar.
Regarding your other point, I have defined “immigrants” very clearly, I said that I hired north-indians, gujaratis, marathis, southies etc, but all of them were local bombayites or maharashtrians.
Immigrants are those who are from another state and don’t have any sense of belonging to the place where they come to work. If you are ethnically bihari, but think you “belong” to Mumbai, then you are a Bombayite according to me. But if you just work here, don’t belong to here, want to go to your “gaon” every other month - where you have your wife and kinds, you are an immigrant.
nitic
187
2:28 am
LOL @ Pranav
Well. Its just the matter of experience. You had a bad experience. This is how you define Immigrant…
“Immigrants are those who are from another state and don’t have any sense of belonging to the place where they come to work. If you are ethnically bihari, but think you “belong” to Mumbai, then you are a Bombayite according to me. But if you just work here, don’t belong to here, want to go to your “gaon” every other month - where you have your wife and kinds, you are an immigrant.”
You have totally changed the definition of Immigrants.
Why cant someone who is an immigrant but comes from a different district and of the same state. Why cant from other village in same district rather than any another district. Dude you have totally f***ed the definition and made one for yourself. Come out of this parochial existence. See the bigger picture. Dont walk on the boundaries of Maharhastra. Whole country is yours.
“Immigrants always comes form different country.”
there are Mumbaiyya guys living in Gurgaon adn they too coem to their Gaon Mumbai every now n then and they would, whats wrong in it. So keep your f***ed up definition of “”IIMIGRANTS” with yourself and dont tell thsi to anyone else, else people will spit on you.
Alok
188
3:23 am
@Nitic
Maybe I am joining in late.But you reek of that same arrogance and adamance (UP /Bihar created the India)
“MUMBAI MERI HAI, MAIN EK BIHARI HOON, BOL KYA UKHAD LEGA…HA HA HA HA..”
“UP and Bihar has totally no regional feeling, thanks to the national leaders it gave,”
which makes everyone here hate you.Please get your facts straight,see where freedom fighters are from.They are from everywhere.And the regional feeling you see so absent there,is because you are in Mumbai.I have seen how these people group together.If they are sooo great,if they have contributed so much to Mharashtra ,WHY NOT CONTRIBUTE IN UR OWN STATE ?WHY BE SO CHARITABLE AND GO OUT OF THE WAY 2000 KM TO MAHARASHTRA TO “CONTRIBUTE” ?
Rocky
189
9:25 am
@nitic
>>> when labours fled Nasik, Manmad and Pune. Maharashtra registered losses in tune of couple of hundred crores,
Where did u read this??? surely u must have seen this on hindi news channel or in hindi news paper who always
do biased reporting. Cmon man !!! Use ur common sense….. Just a few hundred labours running away can not lead to
big financial losses !!!
Give me a concrete proof. Show me the balance sheet of those companies who have reported losses…..
Ha.. its all crap shown by hindi news channels…..
>>Maharahstra is India’s most urbanized state. Right? Who are the people living in Urban areas. Maharastrians??? No man.
>> Those miselry people would still look for working daughter-in-law to run their family and would live in 1 room kitchen bathroom
>> no matter how big is their bank balance.
Again u r acting like a ignorant fool….. U sound just like 1conoclast.
you think that marathi ppl can not have lavish lifestyles. Who told you that marathi ppl having
big balance live in 1 room kitchen flat???? Thats not at all a truth man….Ur knowledge seems to be
very poor. U see what u like to see. there may be a small portion of ppl still adopting that lifestyle.
But most of the marahi ppl spent their money more generously than u normally think.
U seem to have same “1concoclast” mentality who think that marathis dont need to pay taxes coz
they dont earn that much !!!
Go and see the chawls in dadar. U will find that more than 60% of ppl living in those chalws are non-marathi.
and they have big cars lined up under the chwals and earn lot of money, but still wanna live in single rooms.
and all the dirt in dadar area u r talking about is contributed by these chawles……
while average marathi manus who was earlier living in those chawls has now shifted to thane,dombivali,borivali
coz he needs a bigger house and more space.
You See marathi ppl looking for working daughter-in-law to run their family….
But u dont see gr8 north indian tradition of dowery??? Maharashtra is atleast way behind north india
in this regard and i am really proud for that !!!
Rocky
190
9:25 am
by the way…. this is for 1conoclast.
1Concoclast seems to know only 1 policeman from mumbai. i.e. Sunil more
But do you know that mumbai police are ranked very close to scotand yard
and even maharashtra police are ranked very high overall. and who are these policemen??
Most of them are marathi. They are the ones who protect u all cosmopolitan ppl from south mumbai….
Its only bcoz of them mumbai is still very much safe. Havent u heard anything abt ATS??
“Anti terrorist Squad”. Crime branch and ATS from mumbai police have kept mumbai safe…… Its only bcoz of them
u ppl are still safe.Hundred of police officers whether marathi or non-marathi have lost their lives fighting
against gangsters and underworld goons. Give respect to Mumbai Police…… They are the best…..
and u dont even talk abt rapist police officers. Ur UP & Bihar are way ahead in this case.
U will find 1000 “sunil more” in UP & Bihar….
and u know what??? I have started to speak “ONLY IN MARATHI” on the streets of mumbai. (Its Mumbai…. not Bombay or Bambai)
We should have long ago done this……..Like south indians have done in their states…
But better late than never. isnt it?? Saglya rikshaw and taxi walyana barobar marathi samajate
Aami jar ase waglo nahi na tar, tujhya sarkhe lok sudharnar nahit.
Pranav
191
9:49 am
Nitic,, D’uh!!! That’s how I said ‘I’ define immigrants - for ‘my’ purposes. and, yeah . . you’re right about the part where they don’t really have to be from another state. You don’t read well, man. You just don’t. 1conoclast, etc were so much better to debate with.
All this chaos is between two worker communities, I’m thinking why the F should I even think about it when I don’t belong to either. let ‘em fight. may the strong win.
nitic
192
12:31 pm
@ Pranav
YOu dont have anything to debate. You are just blabbering shit.
@ Rocky Cocky
1000 sunil more in UP/Bihar??
Are u the finalist of Great Maharhastra laughter challenge?? Talk in Marathi or not who the fuck cares. Its good for u. u change urself dont try to change others.
D u read English Newspapers or only f***ed up Marathi newspapers??
Go on google search and find out how much Maharahstra has lost after labour fled. Now all of them have returned so things are find for Maharashtra. Marathis are all stingy miserly people dieing for every single penny. All you guys F-off from my side…Kuen ke medhak…
Angry Indian
193
2:16 pm
Lol Pranav, I don’t know what kind of a shop you were running, but I don’t think you’ll do very well in your IT business, if you have that kind of an attitude. This is something I’ve seen smaller companies (esp in Mumbai) complain about. They can’t retain talent and end up blaming the talent…
Surprisingly, smaller organizations in other parts of the country don’t fume about this.
Pranav, maybe it’s got something to do with you and your company that people don’t stick, or maybe it has something to do with Mumbai, India’s first Gutter, that people don’t like living here for long
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Pranav
194
7:57 pm
@Angry Indian,
Oh, people do stick with the company, those are the talented lot. I don’t mind people who leave for better opportunities, I am very happy for them. but those who leave (or kicked out) as an excuse for their inability to perform.
Pranav
195
8:06 pm
@Angry Indian, here’s something I posted a while ago, summarizes the kind of talent we have here:
http://pranav.tumblr.com/post/22373793/imo-its-the-thing-that-most-corporates-dont
Pranav
196
8:11 pm
I quote
“The typical computer science graduate here is a lot less talented, knowledgeable and contributive to production than a typical american CS graduate.
A lot of factors go into this, It’s much easier to get a university degree here. Many IT workers have had their primary education done in various Indian languages - not English,
There is a shortage of local IT workforce in urban areas,
Most people - also CS graduates, MBAs, MCAs, etc - migrating from smaller towns and villages to work in big-city IT companies aren’t adept at all at understanding and working in the tech industry.”
Atul
197
12:44 am
@Nitic
I am sorry I dint mean to hurt you or your feelings. I feel u r a good man. You are the one who is basically trying to make an effort to create the difference. (The Saat Hindustani wala idea!!!)
But ur not trying to understand what we are facing here.
As for my “frivolous nature of knowledge” or my educational ability to stand for this debate is concerned, I don’t think anyone here is.
About the Guard’s death incident, He was a Bhaiyya too one of you only an odd honest one. Also his family is north Indian too .Now its his younger bro taking care of the family And it’s a personal experience not something I read in news papers or saw on some news channel.
Also if would have been one odd incident I could have taken it in a different manner but its not the first time this has happened, Infact after this the Bahubali’s have grown in to confidence and are feeling top of the world.
I don’t hate u guys. After coming to this forum I have started feeling sorry for u all.
You are doing what ur favorite Bhaiyya leader wants you to do.
You are not outsiders ur my fellow Indians who have been denied their constitutional rights by their own leaders.
Right for good governance. Right to live a happy life. Right to “Live”
Why in the world would some one leave his house, if everything is fine at home?
Why will people leave their own village and stay on streets in Mumbai?
Understand my friend the reason you are here… ask your self ask Why?
Ask why Lalu wants you to get ur butts kicked here but not come back to Bihar and earn it?
This is grim reality. Don’t u want ur own Mumbai? Or a world class Patna?
Don’t you want to see Microsoft n Infy offices in your “own” city?
And how can u make it happen?
Certainly not by staying here and getting insulted by MNS workers or fellow Maharashtrians?
What did u guys get here? After giving so much to this city
(Not my opinion…but as per your claims) People still call you outsiders. Referring to you as cockroaches/ immigrants.
Thoda sa self respect my friend. Dignity man dignity…kuch kar ke dikaho yaar
The reason Lalu is paying attention to you guys is because of Raj. Thank him.
Otherwise all these years Lalu has only been ignoring you and all the Bihar.
We r not throwing u out of the city. We just want ur politicians to realize that this wont work any more. They have to take responsibility of their voters. Is this why u elected them?
We can’t help you guys in improving Bihar. Neither can Raj.
After all it’s “Maharashtra Navanirman Sena” not “Bihar” Navanirman Sena
I agree you have a huge work force. This will help you a lot.
I am sure if u guys decide you can make 10 Mumbais.
Only u can vote in Bihar, Vote for the change. Change the Govt. It won’t happen by staying here. Go back fight for ur rights. Here there will be people to oppose you. In Bihar there is no opposition. Elect some good worthy ppl. That would help.
Like Raj is doing here for Maharashtrians. Seminars are held to guide farmers to take their control of their business. Educating ppl. Make them realize their worth.
As u said there r opportunities coming up in Patna
So what are you doing here?
Go grab them with both hands. Make most of it. Focus ur energy there.
Force us to tell ur success story.
I know the city is already so dirty even you know it right?? Then why do u want to add more to it?
Its for you to decide. You wanna stay here & get ur butts kicked by MNS & the rest or Get back to Patna and make ur own Mumbai there …..
My friends
I think what Rocky suggested is really good “Non co operation.”
This is something we (My Family) have started since last few weeks and trust me there are very many unexpected people who have joined us.
The support is sometimes open and sometimes hidden but its there for sure.
Just don’t entertain these illegal immigrants.
Do simple things.
1. Dont buy vegetables or milk or whatever they are selling if they can’t deal with you in “Marathi”.
You might have to walk a little more or pay a rupee or two more than the “Bhayya’s Rate” But only from one who speaks with you in Marathi.
If we can pay 300 for a movie ticket we can definitely afford to pay a rupee more as our contribution.
2. People who have authority or are in decision making positions can make sure that their decisions are not harming the son of the soil in any manner.
I know it’s a little harsh on our fellow North Indians but if you want to make your younger bro walk you have to make’m fall. To realize, understand their potential.
I mean if ur little bro cant get a gal u don’t offer him ur wife do u? I mean we don’t in Maharashtra not sure about UP/Bihar.
One more thing. As far as my exp in business development tells me no company I mean NO COMPANY will put up their Business Units in Maharashtra jst coz “Bhaiyya” labor is cheaply available here. If they are doing this its high time they revise their strategy Or they deserve packing their bags…
Imagine… You have an IT firm. You earn a millions of $s a year. You decide to open a new Business center Moving to a new locations improves ur profit margin. After investing millions assessment of Marketing Opportunities and Target Markets Intelligence Gathering on customers and competitors, generating leads for possible sales, follow-up sales activity, formal proposal writing and business model design and relocation agreements and arrangements. Would u quit d project just coz d labor wasn’t available?
Angry Indian
198
2:10 am
Pranav, I agree with you there. Compared to the US, the average Comp Sc grad is no good. I see that primarily because of the low entry barrier that companies here offer. I work for a company here in a relatively senior position and I face a similar situation which is a lose-lose situation. Half the people who work for you are of bad quality and it is a combination of their education, background and willingness to learn. The other half are the good guys and it’s difficult to retain them because they are either too expensive or I can’t always offer them the work they want.
I have worked for about a decade in the IT industry in various roles and I have seen this problem in every part of the country. The issue has nothing to do with what part of the country people belong to. City guys with good education will be smarter if I use a hasty generalization.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Angry Indian
199
2:46 am
Atul, what dream world are you living in dude? For the IT industry labor is a major factor. Most companies that are setup in Mumbai, IT or not, are setup here not to sell to Mumbai folks, but world over. The Government over the last few decades has made it easy for people to come to Mumbai, setup their business divisions, offices etc. That is what has caused the migration of people. An that’s the only reason, nothing else.
I’ll give you the example of Hyderabad. The city used to be Bangalore’s poorer cousin and then came in Chandrababu Naidu. He marketed the city to the world, gave away land for free or at dirt cheap rates to MNCs. Companies like Microsoft, Infy, Wipro, TCS, Accenture were encouraged to come and setup shops. With these companies, came in migrants from other cities primarily because the local population was not enough to cater to the demands of these companies. The numbers were just not there. Slowly over the last few years the city grew to be a major IT hub with North, South, West and East Indians living here. With these migrants came in the what I call the support staff - the peons for the offices, the security guards, the auto / taxi drivers, the paan wallahs, the hawkers, the doodhwaalas. All these people came in not only from Bihar / UP, but also rural AP, Karnataka, Haryana etc. Now ten years from now, when Hyderabad becomes another Mumbai, what will you tell all these people? Will you tell them that sorry Hyderabad belongs to the Telegus and anyone who does not speak Telegu should get out?
People have come into Mumbai because firstly they needed Mumbai and secondly Mumbai needed them as well. Please don’t patronize people from Bihar or UP or any other state because you had the luxury of being born in MH. It’s easy to say, go and make Bihar better. How are you making MH better? One Raj Thackeray comes along and you say he is trying to clean up Mumbai. What an easy way out - lets have a mass genocide and kill half the people in India. At least the people who live will have a better life. What dangerous thoughts man. Have you done anything to make Mumbai better yourself? I would like to know what.
Maybe Marathis have contributed in the development of Mumbai, but so have people from all parts of the country. Once the development has happened, you cannot ask them to leave. And migration is not illeagal. At least not in the Indian Law. Planning to have a parallel law that is above the law of the land?
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Pranav
200
3:08 am
Yes, but you do agree that in Bombay, a mumbaikar is a lot more employable than an outsider. that is my point exactly.
Pranav
201
3:12 am
Hey angry, 100th post was yours, 200th is mine
My name is very relevant and I am Pranav
Angry Indian
202
3:39 am
Congrats Pranav…:-)
Yes, absolutely agree, In Mumbai, a Mumbaikar is much more employable. Firstly, I don’t have to give him relocation costs. Secondly, if he’s been living in Mumbai, we don’t have to worry he’ll get homesick and leave. Thirdly, being a city boy, he can be quickly groomed to have a client-facing situation. Come on, that’s the reason people open up offices in cities rather than villages. Because of the infrastructure and the people.
But, b-u-t but, it has got nothing to do whether he’s a North Indian or not, which is what this discussion is about.
There’s one thing funny I don’t know whether you guys have noticed North Indians are always considered as the rickshaw-wallahs and doodh wallahs? I’ve discussed a little bit of that here: http://www.angryindian.com/2008/06/demystifying-myth-of-north-indian-in.html
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
Pranav
203
4:09 am
Angry,
yes, as I said an immigrant is an immigrant whether s/he is a north indian or not. In this case, however, a vast majority of the immigrants are north-indians, who - with their impressive CVs and willingness to work for half the cost of what locals will demand, are making employers select mediocrity over talent. It doesn’t really save costs in the end, but this is what is happening.
Some have started realizing this, for them, the easiest litmus-test is to see whether an applicant is local or not - it may be generalizing, but it works nine out of ten times.
Do you see where I am taking this? This is what china (and India) did on the world stage. By offering cheap but unproductive labor, they gained, but we all know (at-least the americans do) the (lack of?) quality of chinese manufacturing and Indian customer support. There was a time both chinese goods and Indian services were state of the art. That’s not the case any more, because the unworthy started entering into the game.
Immigrants - the ones not focused on building a career but making quick money to send back home, are this unproductive lot. They are all over Shanghai and Mumbai. It is in their and the world’s interest that they work in areas they can understand.
The problem then, is that education is very easily accessible - as it should be. But so are degrees, free for all. whether you know your stuff or not. Heck, people like nitic and atul are who can’t even communicate with themselves are running the world’s largest customer support Industry.
The problem isn’t north indians, it is Indians and their want to do things they aren’t meant to do. What would happen to you if you were trained all your life to become an astronaut, but as soon as your training ended, you decided that the mining industry offers more money, you got your degrees and did your cash cources and joined. What would happen to the mining company you are working for?
This is a problem of immigration not many people see - it is very hidden, but it exists, and in very large proportions.
Pranav
204
4:11 am
oh and if I may, here’s a little book worth reading when you’ve got time. an eye-opener, really
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Billion-New-Capitalists-Wealth/dp/0465062814
Rocky
205
11:03 pm
@nitic
Well, After reading ur post, i can definitely say that
u r grand champion of UP/Bihar laughter challange.
U have not at all satisfactorily provided any counter arguments to
my posts. But thats not very surprising, as i dont expect any logical
arguments from u.
So far, i have tried to use descent language.
But since u have opted for the “F” word, let me do the favour for you.
Marathi news-papers are perhaps the best unbiased source of news u can have.
I dunno which damn f**ed up english/hindi news-paper u read. But its definitely
courrpting ur mind. As for calling marathi ppl “stingy miserly dieing for every
single penny” (U seem to have done lot of research in finding the adjectives)
everbody knows who are the real loosers !!!
I dont think, i need to repeat this as lots of posts have already done so.
But lets have it one more time.
Its a fact that thousands of labours migrate here from UP/BIHAR.
They work for much cheaper compensation. Rather they are the ones who
are responsible for big drop in the payscale that average
local (marathi/or non-marathi) legal, domicile resident of Maharashtra used to
have. 10-12 such ppl live in single room. There is one common proverb which
now-a-days being used rather sarcastically for UP & Biharis.
“Hum do hamare Do, tisara hua to mumbai bhej do”.
First, A single bhaiyya comes here, and then he brings here along
with him, the enitre village.
Now who is dying for every single penny here??? and whos living misrable life???
U may say that, they r doing this to survive, they dont have any jobs in UP/Bihar.
Well, but then everybody in his/her life is always after money…
I am sure, there are very few ppl for whom, money isnt a primary concern.
How the hell, Can u then accuse marathis like that???
As u can see, if anybody really deserves to be called like that, then they are
the migrant labours from UP/Bihar. I am still using very descent language, coz mutiny is a public forum.
But ur arrogant, baseless and most foolish post deserved a lot more than that.
I think “1conoclast” was a lot better than u….
Angry Indian
206
4:10 am
Ok guys, there doesn’t seem to be any more juice left to this discussion Signing out, will wait for Ujj’s next post.
My name is not relevant and I am the Angry Indian
http://www.AngryIndian.com
1conoclast
207
1:39 pm
nitic,
Agree with almost EVERYTHING you have to say (except the name calling). It’s a fact that BOMBAY was built by outsiders, the daily milk & travel infrastructure provided by “North Indians” & that now everything is set up, these goons want it for themselves. And they blame the Brits for doing the same to us?
Ignore Atul & Rocky. They’re defensive & their education (or the lack thereof) is obvious.
NITIC, YOU ROCK!
Pranav, do stop comparing. The point is not whether UP or Bihar are bad. The point is “Apne girebaan mein jhaank kar dekho” or more importantly, “Let him who has never sinned, throw the first stone”.
Angry Indian,
Something you may like to read. Here’s an excerpt:
“I think we deserve every bit of trouble that comes to India. If we can’t stand up & speak out against what is wrong, if we don’t want to do anything about it, if we want to defend murderers & racists, we deserve all this trouble. I can see a civil war coming. With vested interests outside of India feeding on our lack of unity, I can definitely see it coming! Unless we wake up fast. Unless we denounce all these small time crooks & tell them that you cannot tear us Indians apart!”
Read the full story here: (http://1conoclast.blogspot.com/2008/05/todays-day.html)
All,
Let’s drop this. The fact remains that MH has lost opportunities & face because of this politician. Please wake up & realize that politicians don’t care for us. We HAVE to stick together as Indians. Let us not point fingers at other Indians as it only gives the other person motive to hit back.
1conoclast
208
1:47 pm
atul…
That was a lot of blabbering up there.
BOMBAY is great! Everyone knows that. What beats me is how you’re taking credit for it??????????????????????
VSNL is a Govt. Entity. Set up by the Cong. Govt., not the sena!
Bombay’s one of India’s finest ports because the Portugese discovered it & then the Brits made it what it is!
What rubbish are you talking about.
Rocky… sorry… premature celebrations. Anyway, refer to my last comment. The one directed at Pranav was actually for you.
Let’s really drop it.
Pranav
209
6:36 pm
They did throw their stones, now didn’t they?
Rocky
210
9:10 pm
@1concoclast, nitic
I am most probably gonna quit this forum after this post.
Remember one thing though. No matter how much u claim that, mumbai was built by outsiders following facts remain and u can not change them.
1) The development u all r talking abt couldnt have been possible without the help from maharashtra govt. Thats the first thing u need to understand.
State govt provided the necessary land,water,power and other infrastructure due to which mumbai has seen so much development.
2) The UP/BIHARI migrants we all r talking abt have migrated in huge numbers to mumbai, searching for jobs, in recent 15-20 years.
After mumbai became a land of opportunities !!!
So Who made mumbai a land of opportunities??? Ofcourse the local ppl who have been staying here from the beginning. These local residents consisted primarily of Marathi,Gujrati,parsi and to some extent south indians.
There were very few UP/BIHARIS staying in mumbai in those days.
It has been the collective efforts of these local ppl that have made mumbai what it is today.
YES !!
Who were the workers who worked hard and built those factories and corporate offices that u see now a days??? The local ppl ofcourse. Do u know that mumbai’s population consisted of almost 65-70% marathi ppl in those days. So they played a major part in making mumbai what it is today.
Mumabai was made a land opportunities by US. WE The Local PPL.
And there is nothing u say can change this fact !!!
1Conoclast said that, Marathis are trying to take the credit for mumbai’s development. Well, as u can see, we are the ones (along with gujjus,parsis, and to some extent south indians) made mumbai what it is - A land of opportunities. WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE CRDIT.
UP/BIHARIS have done nothing for mumbai except supplying milk, ironing cloths. Does this turns a city into a big financial hub???
All the major banks, govt offices, private sector companies and factories included large number of local marathi ppl as their employees in last 60 years. and its only bcoz of them mumbai has grown up to a huge city and has seen so much development.
3) No matter how much u bark, MARATHI is the official STATE LANGUAGE OF MUMBAI. BCOZ MUMBAI IS A CAPITAL OF MAHARASHTRA.
I AM STARTING AWARENES CAMPAIGN AMONG ALL MY MARATHI FRIENDS TO STRICTLY USE MARATHI EVERYWHERE.
Sale, ek tar baherun ithe yenar aani war aamhala maaj dakhavinar.
Aata khup jhale. Yapudhe tumche he laad aamhi khapavun ghenar nahi !!!
Ither rahayache asel tar marathi aalech pahije.
Baghtoch chyala, kase tumhi sagale marathi shikar nahi te.
JAY MAHARASHTRA !!!
nitic
211
10:47 pm
MEMBERS OF Maha Napunsak Sena are still trying to prove that theya re virile…ha ha ha ha…this was the last post.
mazekaro
212
11:19 am
Does regional feeling in majority of Maharahstrians have surpassed the National feeling? I think its the problem of social orientation adn upbringing. I have lived in UP, Bihar, Delhi, Haryana, TN, Karnataka, Pune and Mumbai. But the kind of regional behaviour I see in Maharashtra, I couldnt percieve or felt on other parts. UP and Bihar has totally no regional feeling, thanks to the national leaders it gave, but due to this it has sufferred a backlash. If the leaders from those region had the feeling for “son of the soils”, the picture would have different. Bihar gave coal and Iron on subsidised rate under Freight Equalisation System (FES) for 50 years to Mahrahstra, Karnataka, TN and Gujarat to set up Industries and have power to run them. But who cares, Kick out Biharis. What Raj T is doing is called “ghettoisation of Maharashtrians”. India is an over populated country and everyone needs to think about it. People like Raj T are selfish goons. For decades people of Bihar and UP have done all kinds of jobs for this city. Be it construction work, working in industry, driving auto rickshaw, selling vegetables,,etc,etc. Now when things have developed Raj T and his supporters are asking these people to leave Maharahstra. They work hard and earn like any Indian doing, kisi kee pocket to nahi maar rahein hain. And if they are making slums and encroaching footpaths, what is BMC and administration doing. They are equally participating in facilitating such acts. Traffic police guys take small bribes when Auto Rickshaw or taxi guys are caught on a fake permit. So, who is responsible? People have poisoned their minds against each other’s community. Very soon a new civil war will take place. Just wait and watch.
Ketan
175
31 May 08, 11:41 am
@Nitin:
Wow man!!!! You so totally deserve Raj Thacjerey and his fprimitive governing style!!
You should actually be renamed the ‘Manhoos Marathi Manoos “, and for clarity’s sake, by YOU i mean , only YOU, the shithead of a face you see every morning in the mirror, and no one else.
But have you heard that old saying ” talking to a brick wall”? or if you so prefer is Marathi …
“Uchhali jeebh ani lavli talya var”
@Nitic:
Total respect man
@Rocky:
We never played the blame game dude. WE havent reached so far without without a solid argument.
nitic
176
31 May 08, 3:01 pm
@ Ketan
Thanks for supporting my views.
I have a great idea. It will bring a sense of Unity among us. Why dont we make a group of people from UP, Bihar, delhi, Maharhastra, Gujarat and a south India. 7 guys and we paln to do some charity work in Bihar. find out its problems. It will send a strong signal to all who are playing jingo card and will also serve as Unity flag.
Atul
177
31 May 08, 7:32 pm
“Civil War”
I was actually thinking of quitting on this thread …
Neways…
@Nitic…
My friend its not the about regional feeling. Its about what the leaders from North have been incompetent in doing.Read the title “Why Raj Thakrey sucks more (than ???)”
I agree to the fact that freedom fighters from North have given a lot to this whole nation. But that doesn’t mean it gives the right to the people from North to destroy what is available right now.
As far as the states you have named I don’t agree.
I have recently been to Bangluru and Chennai and trust me scene there isn’t so pleasant.
Common man there doesn’t even understand Hindi forget about “One Nation feeling”.
For states like UP/Bihar is concerned. My family happens to own some business property.
Our units have only booked losses in last 12 years. The only reason the business has survived so far is because of the profits made in Mumbai, Nasik, Pune, Akola, Nagpur. We can’t get rid of those units in Bihar as they have to be there in order for us to keep up the supplies in Northern part of the country.
Robbery/Loot in those places is something as regular as Power cuts in rural MH.
Bahubalis pick stuff out. Fill their jeeps and walk out as if its their own back yard. If you try and stop them you are “dead”. I mean actually dead. Police is a good part but only for consolidation. All they can do is offer a shoulder to cry on nothing more.
Last time a complain was made the guard was found dead on a Railway track termed as suicide .His family is still crying for justice.
This is where the leaders of North have failed and failed miserably.(I wonder how Lalu has managed to book profits in loss making Indian Railways. Investigation is on… We will soon get the results. And if he was so capable how come Bihar is what it is today.)
I REPEAT this isn’t regional feeling it’s about protecting your home and if that is termed biased, irrational, extremist, fascist so be it
This is city is our home. We don’t like people coming to our home like guest and ruin it.
Take undue advantage of the people’s welcoming nature.
Read my first post. I am not against the migration. I am against the misuse of resources and “Mumbai mere baap ki attitude”.
This row against Bhaiyyas hasn’t come in a day it was there in everyone’s heart. Raj just gave it a voice. An opening
If Bal Thakrey hadn’t pulled up the issue in 60’s you might have had to learn Kannada & Telugu to survive in Mumbai.
If “Civil War” was something that could happen in India. The first place to make it happen will be UP/Bihar due to their current situation.
“Independence”
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj taught people meaning of word independence, till then whole of this India was enjoying their “Gulami” under Afghani’s and Mughals. Rest is history.
This is part for Iamaclownoclast (ha..ha..ha) and the rest who feel MH’s economic superiority isn’t a Fact.
As for claims for MH’s economic contribution …. here is a brief …
Maharashtra is India’s most developed and urbanized state, contributing 15% of the country’s industrial output and 14.7% of its GDP.
Whereas Bihar is the 12th largest Indian state in terms of geographical size, ranked 14 out of 28 in terms of state GDP (Rs.94251, Crores. Lalu eat in the Fodder scam Rs 950 Crores US $ 210 million which isn’t included in this)and the 3rd largest by population.
Despite recent economic gains of India Bihar still has a per capita income of $148 a year against India’s average of $2,538 and 30.6% of the population live below the poverty line against India’s average of 22.15%.
Now take your pick What were these Bhaiyyas good at ?
Favorable economic policies in the 1970s led to Maharashtra becoming India’s leading industrial state.
Over 41% of the S&P CNX 500 conglomerates have corporate offices in Maharashtra. In 2007 Maharashtra reported a revenue surplus of INR 810 crore.
Maharashtra is second most urbanized state with urban population of 42% of whole population. Maharashtra’s is India’s leading industrial state contributing 13% of national industrial output. 64.14% of the people are employed in agriculture and allied activities.
Almost 46% of the GSDP is contributed by industry. Major industries in Maharashtra include chemical and allied products, electrical and non-electrical machinery, textiles, petroleum and allied products.
Other important industries include metal products, wine, jewellery, pharmaceuticals, engineering goods, machine tools, steel and iron castings and plastic wares.
Food crops include mangoes, grapes, bananas, oranges, wheat, rice, jowar, bajra, and pulses.
Cash crops include groundnut, cotton, sugarcane, turmeric, and tobacco.
The net irrigated area totals 33,500 square kilometers.
Mumbai, the capital of Maharashtra and the business capital of India, houses the headquarters of almost all major banks, financial institutions, insurance companies and mutual funds in India.
India’s largest stock exchange Bombay Stock Exchange, the oldest in Asia, is also located in the city.
It has the largest proportion of taxpayers in India and its share markets transact almost 70 per cent of the country’s stocks
After successes in the information technology in the neighboring states, Maharashtra has set up software parks in Pune, Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, Aurangabad, Nagpur and Nasik, Now Maharashtra is the second largest exporter of software with annual exports of Rs. 18 000cr (20% of India’s software exports).
Maharashtra ranks first nationwide in coal-based thermal electricity as well as nuclear electricity generation with national market shares of over 13% and 17% respectively.
Maharashtra is also introducing Jatropha cultivation and has started a project for the identification of suitable sites for Jatropha plantations
Mumbai has the best connectivity to the world and within India. No wonder, the
mazekaro
213
11:22 am
o wind and rotten snow conditions
25 May 2008
The start of their expedition has been rather difficult for the three Dutchmen. It’s raining and they are still waiting for the wind to pick up…
After their unusual landing, the three men have had to endure somewhat difficult conditions with the snow.
Of course, because they set out from the coast, they first have to haul their sledges to the plateau before they actually start climbing. This is hard enough to do when the conditions are normal but even harder when 1) it’s warm during the day, 2) it is raining all of the time, 3) there’s no wind and 4) the soft, wet snow makes skiing a trial…
But the team has come up with an answer: they travel at night and rest during the day (it’s colder at night and so the snow is a little easier to ski across). Even this is not as straightforward as it may sound, because the sun beats down on their tent and staying inside in the middle of day is more like being trapped inside an oven…
So, to sum up, our Dutch travellers are finding it tough and have only covered 48 km in eight days. Their morale is good, though, despite everything.
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mazekaro
214
11:25 am
oo good for a beginning
i have 4 new posts in less than 6 hours. at this rate, in a month i should have 480 people joining in. this is overwhelming enough. i couldn’t wait to check the topic again.
i’m a software engineer. working in singapore.
i’ll brief you about the idea that i have. the whole plan is powered by the IT and communication revolution. it has 4 basic steps:
1) Unite
2)Organize
3) Plan
4) execute
this is a very high level agenda and delving into the intricacies of each step, we should estimate a period of 4 years at least. too much to think of for a change as far as a single person’s patience is concerned. too little for history to be written, coz if we do anything substancial, it would go into history and would be a precedant.
call it big talk, but big talk and big ideas lead to big results and what we want to attempt is BIG.
we should understand that all of us, well off and settled would be facing insecurity going all out and attempting a mercurial revolution. our aim should be to optimize our methods so as to get maximum results without trading off our security. all i urge for is half an our of your daily schedule for this cause.
which for a start would mean nothing more than knowing, connecting and bonding with people who hold similar aspirations (1st step: UNITE)
so friends, get as many of your friends as you can to reply to this topic so that we know how many of us are in.
Consider the 4 year target, weigh the faith in your aspirations against it, and then reply to this topic. we have 16000+ members in this community. 16000 people is the strength of major investment firms that can dictate terms to the leadership of several nations.
Ketan
215
5:12 pm
@Mazekaro:
What was post 213 about?
Some competition somewhere i am missing?
1conoclast
216
5:39 pm
Rocky…
Jitna bhi tadap lo… you can’t prove even a 5% contribution of the localites to Bombay’s development.
You talk about milk & ironing clothes not making it a financial hub?
What does then? Selling fish?
1conoclast
217
5:40 pm
mujhe-karo…
What a gay plea dude…
Ketan
218
5:50 pm
@1conoclast
LOL man!!!!!
Welcome back!
1conoclast
219
6:11 pm
Ketan,
What to do? Lalkaar raha thha. Leni padi!
Check out my blog. Fresh post up on it. One that I am very proud of both style & substance wise. Let me know what you think. Time the elite exited the discussion anyway. If we spend too much time here, who’ll rule Bombay?
VoodooChild
220
2:51 am
What a bunch of losers these UP and Bihar guys.Yedzhavyanoo ithe kashala yeta marayla jar avdat nasel tar.Tumchya Laloo sarkya leader chya rajyat ka nahi nighun jat..Bihar deil ka tumhala roji roti?Fucking Harami gandus UP and Biharis.Should be kicked out one by one.Should be put on a train to Bihar with a one way ticket.
Imbecile/Moron/Iconoclast…You fucko live in Pune and talk shit about my city?Why dont you fuck off you flithy piece of shit.Dont wave the constitutional right at me.Go develop your home state of UP or Bihar or any rat infested hell hole that you are from.All u know if to fuck and have 8 kids and live in slums and create problems for everyone.
Jai Maharashtra!
Pranav
221
4:35 am
“If we spend too much time here, who’ll rule Bombay?”
Agree.
Ketan
222
11:07 am
@VoodooChild:
From you name i get the feeling that you were bought on this planet with a lot of difficulty.
Unfortunately, for us that is, there are a lot of jerks around like you, to whom Raj T appeals. I dont know if it his moronic sense of loneliness, or a desperate plea to be recognized that you identify with.
What you do not realise is that, this very support that you are affording to Raj T today, will be the very same thing that will be your ruin.
As for Biharis and UPites leaving Maharashtra, remember that , “Yeh jagah tere baap ki nahi”, and you can out your testicular effort. But remember, that if one, just one Bihari or UPite decides to retort, you guys will be in deep shit. Really deep, so deep that you wont be able to see the light of the day!
I am tired of trying to explain to you folks, some of you, that is, that there is no point fighting amongst ourselves. But well, you choose otherwise. So be it.
mazekaro
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11:13 am
@ Son of Voodoo
YOu know what Mumbai is the biggest shit hole where we all are living. Marathis are sluggish people, they dont have anything to do. And that is the reason why they are licking dirt in all the spheres. Be it academics, business or buracracy. marathis have failed.
@Pranav
Keep ruling Mumbai, you are just a slave … ha ha ha…
Maa chudaoo tum log…heeehoooohaaa
Maha Napunsak Sena kee najayaz aulaad..
1conoclast
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3:55 pm
Interesting read:
(http://lifeofanindianhomemaker.blogspot.com/2008/06/look-what-raj-thakre-has-done.html)
There are sane people in India, despite what this comments forum would have us believe.
ujj
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4:02 pm
@1conoclast really good article. I hope some educated jackasses here read it.
1conoclast
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5:43 pm
Hope Ujj…? Hope?
1conoclast
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5:48 pm
Hey Ujj…
Is 227 comments a Mutiny record?
Pranav
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6:31 pm
WTF is mazekaro talking about?
@1con, ujj .. or is 228, maybe?
BTW, Don’t you guys at mutiny have any abusive language filters or moderation for comments such as mazekaro’s and others who are not in control of their tongues and fingers? sucks to see an intelligent discussion fall in the hands of hateful shit-mouths.
1conoclast
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8:30 pm
Pranav,
Living in Bombay makes you immune to bad language. The Reader’s Digest voted us the rudest city in India! I guess we all now know who’s responsible for that dubious distinction.
Now that will set off another round of finger pointing! LOLOL!
nitic
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8:49 pm
@ Pranav
Intelligent discussion is done with people with some wisdom, what about the bigots like u n Rocky. What can be done when you start hating and generalising everyone because of your regional jingoistic upbringing. You guys have poisoned your minds only because an insignificant guy called Raj T has instigated Marathis by spreading false information about people of UP and Bihar. And I cant believe that he is comparing himself with Gandhiji and Bhagat, He said “Even Gandhi and Bhagat had to break the law”. But is that parochial chimp is trying to get Maharahstra free from India?? I have only one thing to say about all this fiasco is that he is no different from a Talibani tribal, who on the name of culture of Maharhastra spreading a soft terrorism and making Marathis, Jehadis. very soon you will find people getting murdered due to this. This already happenned in Nasik during riots. In Pune, a street Hawker from Bihar’s hands were also chopped by MNS mob. So, you as a youth of this country (By country I mean India NOT Maharashtra, as you might be mistaken) is only taking this country and this state back to the girth of darkeness and backwardness. Whats the problem with us? Everyone is hating each other. Gujjus hate sindhis, punjabis hate jaats, biharis hate bangali, kannada hates madrasi. Biharis and UPietes have started hating Marathis and vice-versa. Dilli walas hate punjabis. INstead of “UNity in diversity” we can very well say “hatred in diversity”. Thanks to Raj Thackeray, Bal Thackeray, Abu Azmi, Lal Krishna Advani, SIMI and LeT.
Jana-gana-mana adhinayak
jaya he bharat bhagya vidhata
Punjab sindh Gujarat Maratha, Dravida Utkal Banga
Vindhya himachal yamuna ganga uchhal jaladhi taranga
Tabh shubh naame jaage
Tabh shubh Ashish Maange gaahe tab jaya gaatha
jana gana mangal dayak jaya he bharat bhagya vidhata
jaya he jaya he
jaya jaya jaya jaya he.
FIND OUT THE MEANING OF THIS. AND ALL WHO SPREADING HATRED AND POISONING THEIR MINDS WILL BE CURED.
http://www.bihartimes.com/newsbihar/2008/march/newsbihar07march5.html
http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=130368
Pranav
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10:42 pm
1conoclast was right, round 200 of finger-pointing has already begun.
Thank you, nitic. btw, read my posts, man. Just because I you disagree with me on certain points doesn’t mean I hate you.
Ketan
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10:29 am
@ Voodoo:
And what makes you say that?
Remember it is Maharashtra, and not Voodoorashtra!
And the way things are right now, the Maha part is debatable.
nitis
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12:23 pm
I dont want to abuse the pro MNS misguided poor people but their undeveloped mental growth is taking tolll of their youth. Get a life friends. I agree with Ketan.
1conoclast
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2:43 pm
Ujj…
Sadly your post has become a hate-spewing forum.
I would recommend that you close the comments section on this so that they can take their hate doesn’t find expression.