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Feb172007
I’m an ex-Swayamsevak :-(
I’m no longer a member of the virtual Orkut RSS. I have been banned. No reason given.
I’m not upset about it because the Orkut RSS seems to to run by a bunch of insecure morons incapable of any dialogue.
For the sober ones, here is a summary of what has happened so far.
- I make a post about a hate website based in the US run by Americans called Christainaggression.org
- This Orkut RSS member, post this message - â??Urgent-Christian Crusader threatens to sue Hindusâ?? on Orkut RSS message board and HinduUnity.org message boards.
- What followed can be read here and here.
It’s rather shameful that someone left this message on our comments:
“we will teach christians a lessons just like we did with muslims in gujarat.”
Well done Orkut Swayamsevaks. I’m sure the real RSS is very proud of you.
I’m waitng for your lesson. Bring it on.
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little indian
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1:18 am
….”Take down your website by the end of this month. If you don
Vishal Sharma
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5:56 am
@chacko - if they have banned you, than I wonder what
Woke
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10:46 am
A bit of an irony - about you whining about being shut out from Orkut while you want the Christianaggression site shut down.
Freedom of expression should work both ways.
chacko
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1:27 pm
Little Indian,
The right to freely express yourself comes with a responsibility. Just because you are free to say what you want, you shouldn’t use it to mislead or create tensions between communities.
By my post, I asked the people who are behind the site take down the site and its hate content (Woke: I’m aware they claim it’s just a collection of articles but till now I haven’t been able to validate a single source they named).
An act of creating or promoting religious/communal disharmony is a crime in India. If an FIR is filed and investigated, you can go to jail. I intend to file an FIR on the first of March.
If we have disagreements in our nation, we should solve it among ourselves. As Indians.
little indian
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4:29 pm
Yes, freedom of expression comes with a responsibility.
Have you been responsible for what you have been writing on ‘your blogsite’?
You say one shouldn’t ‘mislead’.
But that is exactly what you have done by identifying a website as a ‘hate-website’.
I have now been to that website.
It is not a ‘hate’ website at all.
But you have deliberately tried to mislead others.
That site is not promoting religious and communal disharmony,
it is highlighting to the world, the religious and communal disharmony that is being created in India, by forced conversions into Christianity.
Solving it among ourselves!!
Then why have you not kept your blog restricted to Indian viewers?
What you want is no website should show to the world what they believe is unacceptable in India, ie the practice of forced conversion into Christianity.
While you find it acceptable to publish your arguments and abuse against certain individuals to the ‘whole wide world’?
As Indians!!
On what grounds can you say they are ‘not Indians’.
Who do you think you really are to deny any Indian of their claim to their origin?
A person is an Indian in the way they think and belief, and not by where they live or what passport they hold.
Put your money, where your big mouth is and go and file an FIR, and let us see how much success you have.
You have questioned the size of manhood of others, give us a measure of yours.
Why wait till the first of March, do it now.
Prove to us you are not just a deluded hypocrite.
chacko
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5:11 pm
Little Indian.
“A person is an Indian in the way they think and belief, and not by where they live or what passport they hold”
No. If you are not a citizen of the Republic of India. You are not an Indian. If you take an oath to serve another constitution, you are no longer an Indian.
When I said solve it between Indians. I mean Indian Hindus and Indian Christians. We don’t want foreign citizens - Hindu or Christian - to setup website in their countries and create disharmony in our nation.
If you were so bothered about ‘India’ by did you give up your Indian passport? By origin you are not an Indian. Being Indian is not an ethnicity, it’s a nationality.
You can be a Gujarati, Marathi or Malayalee by “origin” NOT Indian. The Republic of India came into being on 26 January 1950, her citizens are Indians.
>>Put your money, where your big mouth is and go and file an FIR, and let us see how much success you have.
It doesn’t cost much Mr. Little.
>>Why wait till the first of March, do it now.
Prove to us you are not just a deluded hypocrite.
I have stated what I will do. I don’t have to prove my self to your Littleness.
>>You have questioned the size of manhood of others, give us a measure of yours.
I’m afraid my sexual orientation is a bit different than yours. I don’t share an interest you seem to have in knowing the size of men’s manhoods.
chacko
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5:17 pm
Little,
Here is a bit more info,
On 16 February 1962, a Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court of India held in the case of Izhar Ahmad Khan Vs. Union of India that “If it is shown that the person has acquired foreign citizenship either by naturalisation or registration, there can be no doubt that he ceases to be a citizen of India in consequence of such naturalisation or registration.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law
Vanakam
Woke
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5:38 pm
You haven’t been able to validate a single source that they have named?
Ok lets say that the Hindustan Times, The Philadelhia Inquirer, Eenadu - 3rd most read newspaper in India, The Deccan Chronicle
and independent news sites like Truthdig.com has a hidden agenda against conversions to Christianity.
Strange, even the Christian Post is quoted - a leading Christian News site “spreading the light of Christian culture through Internet media”.
So who is misleading?
Woke
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5:41 pm
And being a citizen of India is one thing. Being an Indian is entirely another. Atleast to me that is.
chacko
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5:59 pm
Woke, for get the news. I’m a journalist, I know how that is done.
Have you seen these?
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1109867755
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1112056735
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1133286137
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1097346835
For me, being Indian means being a citizen.
chacko
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6:05 pm
and for the constitution, Parliament and the Supreme Court as well..
little indian
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6:12 pm
You are very presumptive of other people.
1. You presume as to my nationality.
You were wrong. I have an Indian Passport. Even after living in the west for 19 years I have not changed it.
So like it or not, I am a ‘true Indian’.
2. You say an Indian’s ‘nationality’ is only based on what ‘passport’ one has.
a. What about Indians in India, who never had a passport? Are they not Indian?
b. What about Indians in India who in their heart desires to hold a western passport, are they not Indians?
c. What about the Chinese, and Parsees, and Armenians who are settled in India and hold Indian passport? Are they more Indian than an Indian in UK who holds an UK passport?
d. What about any nationals from adjoining states who are residing in India illegally and without any passport, do they become Indians as soon as they walk across the border?
That is just laughable.
3. Indian is not an ethnicity?!!
Blimey, are you really serious?
Every form I have to fill in UK on equal opportunities, I have to tick ‘Indian’ as my ethnicity.
And so does every Indian with UK passports.
You do not have a clue about what makes a person Indian, do you?
Neither do you know the meaning of ethnicity and nationality.
4. Finally let me refresh your memory.
This is your opening line of your original article…..
….”There isn
Woke
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6:13 pm
What do you mean forget the News and you know how ‘it is done’??
You say you couldn’t validate even a single source cited in Christianaggression.org.
Now that is misleading. Prove otherwise.
Woke
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6:18 pm
No personal insults, please.
chacko
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6:40 pm
Little,
>>>>2. You say an Indian
chacko
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6:57 pm
Woke,
News items usually are poorly research and are mostly written by reporters or stingers. They get paid or recognized if the story is published. They try to make it as ‘provoking’ or special group (target readership) oriented as possible.
Articles and features are different. The authors have time on their hands and can investigate and site sources from different angles of a story (atleast the good ones do) and lets the readers make up their own mind.
Now coming back to ChristianAg, from the links I posted above. Two are written by Pradeep Nair. I googled him and the article. No responses. Was it meant only for Christian agg?
The next article says Pradeep Nair, Kerala Online. Kerala Online has no record of such a story or Pradeep Nair. Kerala Online is owned by Asianet.
Then there is a letter by Alex to Hindu Voice. Which is actually not the newspaper Hindu but hinduvoice.co.uk
I searched the sight, no record of Alex’s letter.
I’m trying to contact atleast find one person listed on that site to talk to. Not to sue them but to know that they exist and who they know in ChristainAgg.
Woke
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7:32 pm
Chacko,
In the links you mentioned,
1. They have not specified that is an article/news item from Keralaonline and wisely so. And whoever said that all letters in Hindu.co.uk should be available online.
By no means I am suggesting that all those articles in ChristianAggression.org is true. They are a compilation of articles from different sources, however reliable or unreliable they are.
There is nothing in the website that explicitly says “We hate Christians” or any community for that matter. Their implication is that they are against the act of forcible conversions. They have the freedom to say so. Instead of threatening those guys why dont you prove that the articles published there are wrong based on facts?
Sunil
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11:20 am
Chacko,
Looks like some of your comments are made out of emotions.. not based on deep thought.
I support woke in his views.. you please carry on with an investigation and prove them wrong then can think of taking legal action on anybody spreading the false info. But you chose a different path which got you some personal attacks but nothing else.. why all this fuss .. have concrete proofs in hand to substantiate your argument.
I know very well that it is of no use if I start criticizing the christian missionaries for forcible conversions sitting infront of my desk, nothing is going to change. Even if I prove it and wanted to take some action from the govt, it will not give me full satisfaction just because it is not a positive step. I feel what I am doing positively is more important.
So instead of getting into these kind of argumentative discussions just let us focus on to add our bit to society.
Half Indian
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12:58 am
Dear Chacko,
Wondering what do you have to say about the following website, which is having the same theme:
http://www.christiansofkerala.com/
It is edited by Dr. C.I. Issac, the “Judas Iscariot” from Kerala. Are you going to sue against him?
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cheriyan
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10:45 pm
Dont worry. The papers appaeared in the site http://www.christiansofkerala.com is purely academic in nature. it is not good to pose threat. it is better you must counter it with academic sprit. Cheriyan
yogwardhan singh
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6:17 am
freedom of speech is one thing but misusing it as a means to disrupt harmony is another.
i agree with chacko’s views. i just wish he had been a little more careful in the choice of his words (also applies to little indian ).
and anyone who has the citizenship of some country and still believes oneself to be Indian (or anything else) by ethinicity is not being loyal to either country.
once u swore in to the constitution of a particular country you must behave, believe , live , perform…. as a citizen of that country.
Visitor677
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2:32 am
I have visited your site 980-times
Visitor198
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2:32 am
Your site found in Google: position575
Visitor388
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2:34 am
Your site found in Google: http://google.com/search?q=iyv
Smartopinion
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2:54 am
Guys like @Chacko when cannot tackle the real question they will shoot the messnager instead of the message…
@Chacko is not Qualified enough to criticize any argument. He will not accept a criticism of Mother Teresa or Gandhi or even Sonia..
Why don’t @chacko ones and for all expose your position on this Question
a) Is Christianity better than Hinduism to the point where all Hindus should convert to Christianity? if yes then
b) What happens if all the people on this planet earth are converted to Christians? Will people’s miseries vanish or will they all be always HAPPY and would go to the promise Land after death?
c) An act of Conversion is dis-respectful to other religions. If U support that does that mean U dis-respect other religions?